RS4 S/C - new company jumping in the mix?

B6/7 S4/RS4
#1

Found this while perusing QW.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/rs4b7/msgs/74181.phtml

Then linked to this site…
http://avivainstruments.com/portfolio/item/51-aviva42sc

Interesting. I don’t know much about AMD at all. Anyone else have additional info on this “possible S/C option?”

Would be great if we had one S/C RS4 available to an unbiased 3rd party from each of the companies offering one. Then have them do a comparo similar to the magazines, that include 1/4 mile, 0-100-0, etc. So we can see where each one falls based on different tests.

#2

This can only go well. This is the same douche that has the most powerful B5 that only traps 128mph. I wouldn’t trust what he brings to market. I’m sure saki and 91 will love this one

#3

ah yes, I remember the name “AMD” being mentioned in the B5 thread both on AZ and here. Now I have a little better understanding of who they are. (I just reread some of the pages/posts in both threads.)

Well, it will be interesting to see what if anything they do with it.

#4

Interesting indeed. The AMD B5 superstars have all flopped when the spotlight was shining and they were tested. But their in house dyno charts look great!

I’m not sure why AMD is acting like it’s their kit? From the looks of it, some company is doing all the work, and AMD is somehow ‘involved’…but I don’t know what they offer? Looks like AViva is doing everything…but to dig down further, it feels like one guy at AVIVA has an RS4 and wants a kit on it so he’s trying.

Questions I have are

  1. who will tune it? AMD doesn’t tune. AViva doesn’t tune. Does this mean an EPL dyno tune will save the day? lol…just ask the Tial guys. Fastest ever Tial 605 car? A self tuned car that ran 11.9 @ 116…basically B6 S4 with $8500 blower kit attached. Fastest Tial 770 car? So far, 12.something at 128 mph. So yeah…EPL not really lighting the world on fire here.

As we saw with APR tuning a SC application on an NA car is not something that is easy to do. Just ask PES and VF about that as well. While both PES and VF were adding a legit 50-60 hp, the cars acted like they were getting half that because the tuning was so bad. Strap on a TVS blower with a bad tune, and it’s the same result…APR proved this nicely in the first 12 months of the TVS1320 Rs4 kit that ran high 12s (my stock RS4 ran high 12s lol). Guys who don’t know how to tune cars love to do 60-130 runs and in gear pulls to prove their ‘greatness’. Unfortunately that translates to a shitty driving experience where you get walked in real races by cars making far less power.

  1. what is taking so long? After a whole year they haven’t moved the car six feet. What’s the holdup?

  2. PES tried to fit a TVS1900 on the RS4 and S5. They pre-announced it (simiilar to what AMD has done)…and then had to admit to the world they had failed and cancelled the project. Not saying AMD=PES…but just saying. I don’t think I’d be making blog posts and stuff without a car that already runs.

  3. why does the guy from AVIVA say on quattrofail that he doesn’t want to talk numbers when the blog at AVIVA (that he probably writes) already makes claims about being the highest powered RS4 in the world and making 600 hp etc. ???

Basically this looks like a ‘we’ll show em’ project, dreamed up by someone who is footing the bill to thumb off APR…and AMD is going to just carry the torch once (or should I say IF) the other company gets it working. These guys at AViva have done a few kits that are sold by other companies so they’re not green, but the most recent one seems to be a bit of a flop.

Road and Track featured the GMG twin turbo Audi R8 the twin turbo Audi R8 V10. Must be awesome right? Welll…not quite. If we compare it to an R8 5.2, it did reasonably well…but lets not forget GMG took 300 lbs out of the car. Instead, a more relevant comparison would be a bone stock R8 GT. This is a 150 lbs lighter than a stock R8 5.2 and is tuned to 560 hp like anyone should be able to do with a $600 ECU tune on an R8 5.2

R8 GT 5.2 (as tested by Motor Trend)
0-60 mph - 3.5 seconds
1/4 mile - 11.5 @ 125.1 mph

R8 GMG TWIN TURBO with 300lbs weight removed (as tested by Road and Track)
0-60 mph - 3.5 seconds
1/4 mile - 11.5 @ 131 mph

So the $60,000 twin turbo kit shaved a grand total of 0 from the stock R8 GT 1/4 mile time…and added 6 mph. It’s going to be really interesting to see someone justify that. Hell vs. a 300 lb heavier R8 5.2 it’s not even that awesome. Definitely picks up a bunch of MPH but it’s just doing nothing before 100 mph.

R8 5.2 bone stock and 300 lbs heavier than the GMG car
0-60 mph - 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile - 11.8 @ 121

Does anyone else here find this underwhelming? Again we have the standard - bad tuning and poor setup = no gains in realistic timed acceleration runs, with big hp as the setup gives nothing but top end (at double the speed limit a.k.a. speeds none of us really ever travel). Hell Jason’s SAME WEIGHT B5 S4 with RS6R turbos is 7 tenths quicker than this car and trapped the same MPH with a busted throttle body. This GMG twin turbo R8 is a great concept, but again it’s bullshit…it’s the Tial 770 cars all over again. Lots of hype. Lots of dyno heroics. Nominal real world testing gains.

#5

What peaked my curiosity was Aviva’s involvment. I don’t know the relationship between the two.Not sure where this will lead, or if it will even lead anywhere. I guess time will tell.

All valid questions, not sure any of us know the answers.

Admittedly, at first glance I was confusing “AMD” with “AMS” the folks who build 8 & 9 second Nissan GTR’s. I almost shit myself when I thought for a split second they were gettin invloved with the RS4. Then again, just because they are good at tuning/building GTR’s doesn’t mean it will translate over to our car/platform. I know…I was just dreaming for a second lol.

#6

well its funny you mention that. you look at AMS…they take an already excellent and theoretically hard to improve, low 11 second stock GTR…and make it an insane 9 second GTR!

the you look at GMG/AVIVA. They take an already excellent high 11 second R8 5.2…and make it a marginally better mid 11 second R8 5.2. For $60,000.

Does anyone see the disconnect here? It’s pretty frigging sad. While everyone loves to talk about how MPH indicates the power a car is making, power without proper tuning to put the acceleration down is just plain useless.

If your R8 crosses the finish line at 131 mph and mine crossed at 126 mph…but a tenth of a second sooner…I’m still the winner. So many excuses out there.

#7

AMS is getting involved in the german scene. The owner has a new TT amg 63 that they just done a tune one. And it picked up huge amounts of power. They also did a tune for a 5.2l r8 and gained like 60whp with it just by the tune. I am waiting to see the tarck times for it though. They plan on taking it to the track once the track opens and the weather is good enough. So stay tuned for that one. Hopefully ill be at the track when they do go. I was gunna go to the track the day they took out the gtr that went low 9s but i didnt go. Now i kick myself for not getting to the track that day.

#8

dude, you should be kicking yourself for not going to the track at all last year. Let’s see you out there this spring!

#9

I did go to the track alot of times, just not with my car lol.

#10

Looks like one more attempt to pull the con game has failed. If AMD wasn’t included I might have never thought to look more into it.

When you dig it gets even better do some research

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Angeles/aviva-instruments-corp/44654392.aspx

Jonathan Cohen= johnny brovo on AZ and Audiworld and who knows what on Qfail. single handedly has been pushing the Tial turbos down as many peoples throat as possible. Not only that but Number 1 on the giver of bad information to the public to sell these things.

This isn’t some large company. Its a fancy website using the same guy that pushed the Tial turbo failure and then ran for the hills when it fell through

This site was put up just a few months ago and the name was registered not that log ago. In short its a cat and mouse game to make this company look more ligit. In the end. Its a low level guy with a fancy web site and a con artist in AMD to try and put smoke and mirrors out there.

You can look at the bottom of the page and see the Tial afficialation. Clearly if this is someone that worked on the Failed Tial turbos we can expect the same here.

If you ask me its one more B5 guy looking to try and cash in on what he hopes will be unsuspecting RS4 guys willing to write a big check. If johnny brovo was smart enough he would have picted a different company then AMD. Doing such just got me to inviesigate this to the point I won’t be even considering this as a possible kit

Looking further into the adress its not even a office. Its a remote office that people can use like a reamos office. So it looks like you have a office when your a small busniess. So at this point this looks like its not even a real office but a fake front to look more ligit.

In the end this looks like PES All over again. They try to look ligit with cad drawings and a fancy web site. Yet when you look deeper its just another b5 guy working to sell a product that dosn’t exsist yet. All this funded with someone elses money and no results or testing before the money is spent on trying to build something

#11

lololol nice find

that’s hilarious. We’ll keep this info here so nobody from here buys this stuff (but we’ll let the quattrofailers drool all over the cad pics lol)

#12

more funnies. Feels like quattroworld is getting punked lol.

[quote]not much of a leak.
Posted by: Jonathan C (487) on 2012-01-23 02:34:14
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We have been working hard on the project, for some time now.

Its designed around the 2300/1900 TVS. Engineering & designing the System is one thing, but seeing it through to production is another. This is what is taking time, specifically all of it.

I won’t disrespect the forum by adding anything more than what has been already said. We have been working very hard to make it a reality. Its too early to speculate power, price, awesomeness… so I wont. How much longer?.. I wish I knew that. before the snow melts is my goal, and I’ll continue putting in 70 hour weeks until it’s done.

  • Jonathan
    Aviva Instruments Corp
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[quote]Assuming you’re Jonathan Cohen, ‘President’ of Aviva…help me understand
Posted by: Revlis Suva (13070) on 2012-01-23 21:26:52
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You just said it’s too early to specultae on power etc. So why does your webpage say this?

“Raising peak output to 600+ HP and 550+ft/lb TQ with the worlds most powerful supercharger system for the Audi 4.2 FSI. Bolt in instant thunder.”

http://avivainstruments.com/news/cycles/item/51-aviva42sc

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Pretty bold claims for a car that’s not even running from the sounds of it.

How many employees are there at ‘Aviva Instruments’?
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[quote]Don’t give it too much merit. Its only a caption. If it ever produces that output, it would be
Posted by: Jonathan C (487) on 2012-01-24 01:06:51
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great for everyone involved. Until then, there’s nothing but optimism. You suggest to remove it ?
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Technically there is no one on payroll, just a few average people involved [ some socially challenged ]. . . I don’t have a title.

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#13

^hahaha, where are the hidden camera’s. He would have been better to go MIA until real evidence (i.e. dyno plots for the quattrofail crowd) could be produced than make that post.

#14

well, it’s weird. Can’t figure this guy out. He claims all these accomplishments, but what does he really do? I get the feeling he’s a CAD specialist/engineer…so he helps the weaker companies like AMD design stuff. Then they go and try to build up. Seems really hokey to be totally honest.

Of course having good drawings doesn't mean a damn thing with respect to any of it actually working as intended, as we've seen from the Tials and the GMG R8.   Both setups have great hardware, but flopped.
#15

^That’s kinda what I’ve been thinking also. With today’s technology in 3D scanning and CAD mockup’s, there’s a lot of benefit, but there’s also a lot of investment in equipment and personnel costs that these companies probably can’t really afford (or just more economical to contract out). APR is the only one that comes to mind with a fair bit of that equipment. It was pretty cool when I was there for their BBQ & unveiling of the new shop they implemented their 3D printer to kick out a inlet manifold for mockup on a A4 or something they were working on. I know this stuff is around, but it was cool to see first hand.

Of course when you have the Count, the rest is kinda trivial; and without him, you’re probably screwed no matter what hardware you can piece together.