I am not that familiar with the PES supercharger kit, but it is absolutely no surprise that it had major problems. A few years back I fell under the charm or lack thereof of Tony at PES. Paid him a large sum to install headers exhaust and tune my w211 e55. The car came back and just didn’t feel as strong as I expected. I took it to a dyno shop and had OE tune it. I baselined with the Tony tune at 426 whp (on a heartbreaker dyno). Jeremy made a few touches and I ended up the day at 511 whp. Just from re-tuning what was already supposed to be a performance tune. The car was running basically no timing with the PES tune. Jeremy put a strong safe tune on it that saw 100s of passes at the track with never an issue. I am honestly surprised PES is still in business and personally they couldn’t pay me to run a sc kit on my rs4.
Yeah they went all the way extreme at first, and killed cars
Then they pulled back on the reigns on tuning to their detriment
In between though they still managed to kill cars with bad hardware. They also used undersized Eaton m90 superchargers on the rs4 that added maybe 20 whp over stock…for $13,000!
So yeah…shocking they are in business. Just shows that customers are not informed. For every post like this one that outlines reality, there are sites like audizine and a5oc where PES pay the site owners to snuff the truth out, and the site owners willingly protect them. Having no moral compass and choosing modest sums of money over the wellbeing of your thousands of subscribers as someone running a discussion forum is a dangerous thing.
Another Piece of Expensive Shit disaster story!
Patrick is now a member on this site…What do you have to say about this one Patrick?
Sorry, meant to post this here and not the other thread.
What are most forum members thoughts on the required cutting to install the JHM kit? I know these cars aren’t museum pieces, but at the same time they are relatively rare and just the thoughts of cutting into the unibody definitely irks me. Unfortunately, this seems to be the best kit currently available so do you just suck it up and deal with it?
You sound like you are quoting fat bensti
Give me a fucking break.
The ‘cutting’ is of the overlap on the corner of where the end and the bumper support goes…and you are cutting a corner off the size of a fucking dime.
Someone post the picture up, please. This is so ridiculous.
I leave this here….TOO
I personally don’t understand the big deal, and it’s trimming (most would be surprised at how little)…your not hurting the structural integrity of the car so the people crying “cut into the unibody…how could you?” are complete idiots. DO we really think JHM would screw with the safety and integrity of the frame.
Let’s look at it this way…#1 your already supercharging the car…so you aren’t to worried about warranty. Supercharging is also going to turn away some potential buyers, but those are usually guys that want an un molested care that wasn’t beat on. It doesn’t matter what supercharger you use or if you had to modify a piece of the car that you can barely even see. #2 once the JHM charger is on, how many people are going to remove it before resale? that doesn’t even make any sense, and when it is on everything looks professionally installed (as long as you take your time cutting)
The only people worried about the cutting are JHM bashers and scared little QW folk, not people who want the BEST and truly care about reliability and performance.
Kryptonik got AMD supercharged and disappeared from AR like a fart in the wind…
weird…
Does this car look hacked up?? or that it’s resale value has decreased by $30k?…nope, but I’m labeled a fanboy
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71600_10151791489701807_169879589_n.jpg
Sorry, meant to post this here and not the other thread.
What are most forum members thoughts on the required cutting to install the JHM kit? I know these cars aren’t museum pieces, but at the same time they are relatively rare and just the thoughts of cutting into the unibody definitely irks me. Unfortunately, this seems to be the best kit currently available so do you just suck it up and deal with it?
You sound like you are quoting fat bensti
Give me a fucking break.
The ‘cutting’ is of the overlap on the corner of where the end and the bumper support goes…and you are cutting a corner off the size of a fucking dime.
Someone post the picture up, please. This is so ridiculous.
Calm the fuck down!!! Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? I asked a simple question. I have seen the pictures. I know exactly what is involved. It was a simple question as i decide which supercharge kit to install on my car and yes j am heavily leaning toward jhm even if it means having to deal with douchebag fanboys like yourself. No matter how big or small I have never been a fan of cutting on my car and was just curious as to other members thoughts. That is it. A relatively small matter for you to get so upset over.
I leave this here….TOO
I personally don’t understand the big deal, and it’s trimming (most would be surprised at how little)…your not hurting the structural integrity of the car so the people crying “cut into the unibody…how could you?” are complete idiots. DO we really think JHM would screw with the safety and integrity of the frame.
Let’s look at it this way…#1 your already supercharging the car…so you aren’t to worried about warranty. Supercharging is also going to turn away some potential buyers, but those are usually guys that want an un molested care that wasn’t beat on. It doesn’t matter what supercharger you use or if you had to modify a piece of the car that you can barely even see. #2 once the JHM charger is on, how many people are going to remove it before resale? that doesn’t even make any sense, and when it is on everything looks professionally installed (as long as you take your time cutting)
The only people worried about the cutting are JHM bashers and scared little QW folk, not people who want the BEST and truly care about reliability and performance.
Kryptonik got AMD supercharged and disappeared from AR like a fart in the wind…
weird…
Does this car look hacked up?? or that it’s resale value has decreased by $30k?…nope, but I’m labeled a fanboy
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71600_10151791489701807_169879589_n.jpg
APR just posted this up.
Calm the fuck down!!! Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? I asked a simple question. I have seen the pictures. I know exactly what is involved. It was a simple question as i decide which supercharge kit to install on my car and yes j am heavily leaning toward jhm even if it means having to deal with douchebag fanboys like yourself. No matter how big or small I have never been a fan of cutting on my car and was just curious as to other members thoughts. That is it. A relatively small matter for you to get so upset over.
First off, its been a topic beat to death here…which is why Saki is annoyed by it.
What are your concerns? You asked a question and got a pretty good response from me.
…and don’t do the fanboy thing…it’s a childish reaction for people that don’t have anything better to come back with and mostly used by incompetent fucks with zero knowledge about their cars.
So you aren’t a fan of cutting up a car, I can understand that, but on the same hand you say you know exactly what is involved. It’s almost an over statement to call it CUTTING, you could almost file off some of the material that needs to be modified.
The cutting/trimming doesn’t affect aesthetics or function and if done correctly most people would not even notice the modification. I could guarantee if you or the shop installing took your time, the modification could be made nearly invisible to the normal guy who turns a key and slams the gears.
APR just posted this up.
Sorry. You are right. My reply was childish and curt. I have searched and searched and haven’t been able to find people’s true thoughts on the install. Obviously you have members of other camps bringing it up to hype up their kits. I guess when it comes down to it, you are right it really is not that big a deal, although it is definitely more substantial then just filing. Thanks for the insight.
First off, its been a topic beat to death here…which is why Saki is annoyed by it.
What are your concerns? You asked a question and got a pretty good response from me.
…and don’t do the fanboy thing…it’s a childish reaction for people that don’t have anything better to come back with and mostly used by incompetent fucks with zero knowledge about their cars.
So you aren’t a fan of cutting up a car, I can understand that, but on the same hand you say you know exactly what is involved. It’s almost an over statement to call it CUTTING, you could almost file off some of the material that needs to be modified.
The cutting/trimming doesn’t affect aesthetics or function and if done correctly most people would not even notice the modification. I could guarantee if you or the shop installing took your time, the modification could be made nearly invisible to the normal guy who turns a key and slams the gears.
The filing comment was sarcasm…
…and plenty of people bringing the trimming up for bashing purposes like I mentioned. If it concerns you go straight to JHM and asks them for some install pics. I’m 100% sure they have them and will send them your way. Address any concerns and see how they make you feel. I know APR just went 10.60 on race gas, but JHMs kit will go 10s on pump, pretty close to 10s on pump without bigger pumps even.
Your question to yourself should be…DO I want to go with a setup that has been tested for years, by a company who has invested almost 100% of their time, R&D, resources into bringing the B6/7 S4/RS4 platforms the best products on the market. Should I go with the setup tuned by a man who was the only one that could figure out the platform…the 4.2 BNS and BHF…the guy that a company like APR called on for input on their supercharger tune…who works with JHM daily and takes one on one phone calls from customers to work out any issues big or small (and did I mention this isn’t even his “real job”, he basically does it because he loves it!!). JHM, constantly tearing down motors to see the effects of their kit, the boost levels they run, and overall providing the best research before bringing a product to the guys who help them make it all happen…THE CUSTOMERS.
Sorry. You are right. My reply was childish and curt. I have searched and searched and haven’t been able to find people’s true thoughts on the install. Obviously you have members of other camps bringing it up to hype up their kits. I guess when it comes down to it, you are right it really is not that big a deal, although it is definitely more substantial then just filing. Thanks for the insight.