So what's happening with the B6 S4 TT V8 @ JHM from Canada?

B6/7 S4/RS4
#16

Guess you missed the RS6? That’s pretty significant.

For the record, the twin turbo or tuning part of the build are not the hard part. Not even close. There are a few twin turbo cars that JHM has built for people. A couple in Europe on that list. One was count vohn’s own car (a tiptronic ironically) that he put the kit on when fabbing it up.

The problem with bluerocket’s car is that he wanted built motor, massive power. Who doesn’t? Well the JHM research into the 4.2 has found that at about 450 whp the internals have problems. Rods are the weak link, but the pistons aren’t much better. They had a supercharged B6 running 490 whp on 034’s dyno at one point trying to blow it to see where the limit was. A more violent torque curve did the trick. Then they did it again. Then Count Vohn’s turbo car with an improperly installed boost gauge was the next one. I could put my fist throught the hole in the block that the piston created when it was ‘jettisoned’.

So the 450 whp mark is where JHM wants the stock motor to stay below. Get beyond that and you’re looking at spaghetti’d rods.

What’s next…‘drop in rods’ you might say? NIX. Pistons too? NIX. It’s far more complicated. They basically needed to re work the entire block. I’ve been lucky enough to hear some of what they worked on when meeting with the JHM guys, but I wont share it here as it’s their business to do that. Anyway, this is the delay with these cars…it’s the motor build part of the equation. That’s why it’s taking so long. Because 91GL wanted to go supercharged, he was able to leave his motor with JHM and use his second motor with stock internals and the ‘stage 1’ supercharger setup. BlueRocket’s car was far more complicated…they couldn’t ‘detune’ his car and just give it back to him while they completed the motor build project. I believe they offered him back his car with the stage 1 supercharger instead of waiting for this massive build, but since he didn’t take that option, he appears to be in it for the long haul. Good guy. Again, we owe him.

I’m sure if Notorious VR really wants to know, he need only ask his friend to explain more to him.

#17

I agree that the TT news was exciting, but there are so many more things that go into a setup. The extra lines, intercoolers, how to route the intake and exhaust. I could see a TT kit possibly being $5000 more than the supercharger setup, with not much more, if any power advantage. I think with a TT kit, the B6/B7’s will turn into big turbo B5s and their obsession with 60-130 times, rather than having a car that is fast as balls from 0-130.

I know it’s all personal opinion, but is it more fun to make a passenger shit their pants from a dig to 100mph, or mash the gas at 60 and pull to 130. I know what I choose, not to mention half of the guys with the B5 BT cars can’t even drive.

#18

Thats funny. Just so happens i talked to Bluerocket yesterday to congratulate him on some recent RL stuff and see what was up with the car.

No timeframe yet, its still a work in progress. However it wont be an automatic for long. Its getting a manual swap.

#19

Cool didn’t know that it was such an in depth build. Pretty much I was told the car was running @ some point with the auto tranny… it was running on race has or E85 even? Had a few races and has since been taken apart again and the auto tranny is out and it’s getting a 6 speed now.

[quote]I’m sure if Notorious VR really wants to know, he need only ask his friend to explain more to him.
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That is really getting old stop assuming, it’s making you look very stupid when you talk like you know me or my friends.

My one specific friend who knows the owner doesn’t know anything about the build like you just explained, and I don’t talk with Senan (I assume that is Bluerocket?) at all really. So it seems my assumptions were correct making a thread on here is the best way to get information. Thanks for proving my point.

Now take your head out of the clouds and come back to reality and admit you’re wrong.

#20

From what I know. the TT car has taken a good amout of time toget done NOT BECAUSE OF THE KIT. because JHM isn’t willing to let the customer use a untested motor. All the guys including me. KNOW and KNEW taht the JHM motors are a complete reconstructive prosses.

So the project is moving along and the owner of the car has decided to make changes. FROM what I know JHM has gone out of there way to make sure this long wait was well worth it.

So props to JHM and the oweer of the TT car. the TT car is just one of 5 by the way.

#21

That was my assumption as well since the car was running w/ the kit previously from what I heard.

[quote]So the project is moving along and the owner of the car has decided to make changes. FROM what I know JHM has gone out of there way to make sure this long wait was well worth it.

So props to JHM and the oweer of the TT car. the TT car is just one of 5 by the way.
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I agree, better then trying to deal with a product and customer that is very far away with something as unique as a TT V8 S4.

#22

I think you’re mixing the stories.

It was running, on pump gas, with a JHM supercharger kit. It raced an E85 GT B5 S4 that count vohn tuned. jfunkey’s old car. silverbulletS4’s new car. Nogaro Blue that ran 11.5 @ 126 in 90 degree heat. Same night bluerocket’s car ran 12.5 @ 112. That was when bluerocket had stock downpipes with precats gutted, stock catback with just a muffler mod for sound. When the two cars raced on the street, the GT car couldn’t stay with the B6 because it jumped so hard. Took a while for it to catch up. That was with Jason from JHM driving the B5. there’s a video of it somewhere. As I said above, the turbo kit was also fabbed up and installed on the car, but it wasn’t REALLY running, because the engine would grenade if you really ran the car. It was on, neutered, but when it was running/racing, it was basically stock with the JHM supercharger tuned for maybe 375-400 whp and with the precats deleted to protect the engine.

[quote=sakimano]I’m sure if Notorious VR really wants to know, he need only ask his friend to explain more to him.
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Now that you’ve acted like a jackass, I repeat if you want to know more, I’m sure you can ask him yourself. I’m not going to divulge JHM’s trade secrets that pertain to this build. Bluerocket knows more than me, and I will repeat again if you want to know more, I’m sure you can ask him yourself.

Quit being so dramatic. You’re not going to ‘catch’ me here beacuse I’m just sharing information. It just won’t happen. I’m being civil about this. You’re being a maniac. Let it go already. I thought you said you were ‘over it’. If so, act like you’re over it. Look at what I posted that made you go nuts. I said that if you want to know more than my detailed post, you can ask your friend about it (or whatever you deem bluerocket to be). The person you counselled on the transmission choice on facebook. Hit him up on facebook if you want more info because that’s all I’ve got that I’m going to post on a public forum.

#23

That’s exactly what happens when you play broken telephone, which is exactly what you’re telling me I should do.

[quote]It was running, on pump gas, with a JHM supercharger kit. It raced an E85 GT B5 S4 that count vohn tuned. jfunkey’s old car. silverbulletS4’s new car. Nogaro Blue that ran 11.5 @ 126 in 90 degree heat. Same night bluerocket’s car ran 12.5 @ 112. That was when bluerocket had stock downpipes with precats gutted, stock catback with just a muffler mod for sound. When the two cars raced on the street, the GT car couldn’t stay with the B6 because it jumped so hard. Took a while for it to catch up. That was with Jason from JHM driving the B5. there’s a video of it somewhere.
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Cool.

[quote]Now that you’ve acted like a jackass, I stand by what I said. I told you and the thread that I’m not going to divulge JHM’s information about the build or what was required to do. Bluerocket knows, and as I said, if you want to know more, I’m sure you can ask him youself.

Quit being so dramatic. You’re not going to ‘catch’ me here. It just won’t happen. I’m being civil about this. You’re being a maniac. Let it go already. I thought you said you were ‘over it’. If so, act like you’re over it.
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Since you seem to have selective hearing I’ll just leave it alone. It’s clearly not worth the effort.

#24

I told you to call bluerocket or hit him up on facebook. I didn’t ask you to play broken telephone. You said in this thread that you know him and you spoke on facebook about the build. Try that again.

#25

Are any of those 5 kits on RS4’s? What is forged in the RS4 engine vs cast in the S4? Anyone know of any RS4 engine failures?

#26

rs4s have forged rods/pistons vs powered metal rods and cast pistons for the s4. rs4 also has better alloys in those parts

#27

There have been a few rs4 engine failures that I can think of

  1. Guy in australia who had scored cylinder
  2. Same in france
  3. Same in california (BenSTi)
  4. Another one that had just grenaded somehow…there were chunks of metal in the oil panm. Nuts.
  5. Ny07rs4 got a new motor but I don’t really know why. Seals or something oil burning related.

That’s all I know of.

IBBBJHM

#28

In for pics of the setups???

Sounds nasty, fully built 4.2 must be good for 1000 no prob.

Stuff takes time, especially with little shop r&d funds and time.

#29

^^^That’s no joke either…the money they put into this is sickening. If I were a business advisor I’d have told them ages ago STOP!

They’re really stubborn though lol

Snow Trooper…do you know anyhting about the Vortech V3 and when intercooling will be an issue with it? Thinking of the RS4 project or the built motor supercharged car(s).

#30

I believe NY07RS4’s problem was bad valve guides or something, not sure exactly.

#31

Holy shit i havent been on here in a while. Id say the main reason is internet bickering that this thread demonstrates perfectly.

Just to clarify a few things. Notorious VR is a friend of a friend (and a friend that i have not spoken to in quiet a while at that). I dont know what he gets up to on the internet but i do know my dealings with him and real life have shown him to be a stand up guy and quiet frankly i dont give a kentucky fried fuck about the internet. We spoke on facebook id guess well over a year ago.

Anyways, this build has gone on for so long that i cant even remember the details. As saki said earlieritwas running pretty much stock with a SC early in the game to see what the SC would do on a stock auto high mileage car. If i recall correctly there was also some fiddling done with e85 at one point. There have been many issues from day 1 and it has been an uphill battle. Everything from VAST holding onto my car whil i was deployed and putting the project
Back 3 month to trials and errors with what id call an engine re engineeering over a motor build. In the very early stages of the game VR and many other people recommended doing a manual swap for obvious reasons. It wsas talked about with JHM but we decided to persue the much more difficult avenue of building up and tunning the tranny. This is still a goal of jhm in the future but i elected to do a manual swap just recently in order to speed up the project. JHM will keep my auto tranny to continue work in the TCU tunning arena.

Anyways to sum up, the JHM 4.2 TT project is alive and making progress. It has been an incredibly long and frustrating process but i can assure you all that JHM has bent over backwards (as have i ) for this project. Its pretty safe to say JHM has eaten a financial shit burger on this project but we have a stuck through it to ensure one day we have a fully built properly running 4.2 tt.

Anyways, hope this clears some stuff up im going to bed.

#32

Wow thanks for chiming in bluerocket. You are a hero, sir. Glad to hear progress is being made and I hope you get your car back soon.

#33

Great to hear some information about this car,

It is funny this one was always heard in whispers kind of cool kept the suspense

#34

nice update, thanks for checking in

#35

So where did they mount the intercooler?