Stage 3 B8 S4 vs. Stage 2+ B8 S4...what is the true delta?

Sure, let me clarify why I posted what I did.

When you’re evaluating an acceleration mod (Stage 3) and it’s cost worthiness, compare it to other power mods (tune/intake/pulley/pulley/lw parts).

Adding in things like a catback exhaust (sound only, no performance) or headers (proven to add nothing) or meth injection (proven to be less effective than race gas) or high cost LW wheels (no more effective than stock 18" wheels) don’t really serve the purpose of your initial argument.

Your argument was, if I may paraphrase, that a B8 S4 owner may want to just go from stock to Stage 3 to avoid fussing around with all the annoying little steps to get to full on stage 2. Just pay one price and BAM…you’ve got a great performer.

The problem is that if stage 2 B8 S4 owners will get headers or catbacks or whatever you want to mention while going stage 2, those are optional. You shouldn’t add those in to the cost of achieving stage 2 performance because they’re irrelevant. If you do add them, you should then also add those in to the cost of going stage 3 because they’re just as likely to buy that stuff. So stage 3 costs $9000 for the kit + $2000 for cooling (is that right?) + $5,000 for headers and catback. That’s $16,000. Compared to stage 2 $5500 + headers and catback and you’re at $10,500. The delta is still $5,500.

I chose instead to focus on the actual performance contributors.

Make sense?

sounds pretty spot on

Sounds like in terms of bang for the buck, that water/meth spray is pretty cost-effective, especially given that someone is now running 11.6 on 91 octane plus meth.

Plus meth may be the key to faster race gas times…we’ll see this weekend!

Good to know. Like Ron said, thanks for the update.

Agreed. I’d also like to see what a properly setup E85 car can do. W/M and E85 will continue to make this debate interesting.

So many options - I think a lot of us would love to run e85 up here, there’s just nowhere to get it.

I feel your pain. It’s not readily available here either. I guess Texas loves their fossil fuels…

I reckon if you put headers and meth on a stage 2 and actually had a tune wrote for those specifics there would be a big improvement, running a pre determined tune and then adding theses extras is bound to produce little to no increase.

Depending on your location you may luck out. On my M3 I run an e30 mix. I have a station on my way home from work and 2 more within 30 min of my house and another 4th on my way into work. Once I can run straight e85 I plan to assuming I retain map switching.

Just saying that there are a few that are lucky enough to be able to.

With all the E85 talk recently, I went out looking for it locally. There were 4-5 places listed on the “finder” sites, so I went the check out the ones within 10-15 miles. The first thing I’ll say is that it’s nuts there are only a handful of places that have in a metro area that has over 6 million people. Crazy…

Of the 3 places I checked out, all were Kroger grocery stores/gas stations. One didn’t have it at all, one carried it but was out, and the other actually had some available. At the end of the day, it’s sadly not an option for me. It was only $1.24 a gallon which is pretty awesome, but by comparison, 93 was only $2.03 there.

^Gas is super cheap by you.

I live in NJ with some of the lowest gas prices in the country. There is one place in NJ but its 40 min from anything I do. The 2 on my ride to/ from work are a BP and a Shell. I actually got a love tap from an officer yesterday in the shell, maybe it’s to send my ass back to the BP.

I’m not sure why it was so cheap there, and it would have been even less if I had my rewards card from the grocery store. 93 seems to be running around $2.40 at most “top tier” places right now, and it was around $2.60 pretty recently. Gas at this particular station was just really cheap. 87 was around a $1.70, and I don’t know the last time I’ve seen it that cheap. I usually stay away from grocery store gas stations, but I may do some logging with their 93 next time I need gas (I had almost a full tank today so there was no point in filling up).

This was posted…

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/675080-B8-APR-Magnuson-Stage-3-VS-B8-APR-Stage-2

Wish they would take it to the strip… Too bad Magnuson wouldn’t let me test, shit I’d have had 30-40 passes by now…

That’s bullshit though, has the stage 2 car they used accomplished anything? The great part about the Pete and Richi race…is the fact we know right where Pete’s car runs and we had a great comparison.

Anyone notice that looks like the road that Paperfag always use to race people on?

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That’s bullshit though, has the stage 2 car they used accomplished anything?
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A valid point - remember this is the same Stage 3 car that posted a 60-130mph video with times slower than Stage 2’s in tsivas27’s table. I remember looking at some of the DAs and thinking at best it would probably keep up with a Stage 2 under the same conditions and same fuel.

exactly, last Friday at the strip we saw a couple of stage 2 cars that were 10 mph of trap speeds apart on certain passes. So who really knows.

Take down auditude or primetime or some other known entity? sure, let’s clap and say it works. But these videos are retarded. The other side of it is that maybe street racing in densely populated areas middle of the day isn’t so smart

the plot thickens… the silver car removed the APR logo and replaced with the mag logo. they moved the APR logo to the top and made it tiny

[QUOTE=richib86;11147045]they reworked the bleeder valves on the charger unit as well as changed the method used to seal the intercoolers. supposedly air was going around them and not through the fins so there was no cooling actually happening. i will say this though, the issue i had with the car dumping boost is gone which leads me to believe that cooling is under control. initial logs on the new unit showed max IAT’s at 60* vs 80* with the old unit
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Can I see ;D

Can I see ;D
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sent, i only had one set of logs to send, the logs that show 60* i have to get where it hit 60* by the 5th or 6th pull

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Thanks man! Leaving the office shortly so I’ll take a look when I get home… Ron