Yeah, who knows what really going on with it. Just thought it was interesting that they put that out there. They said forged pistons, h-beam con rods, valves, springs, and retainers. No other real details…
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That’s exactly what I thought when I opened them… They either don’t know how which in of itself as a business servicing Audi’s you’d think they’d have a clue or they just want to show Richi hey your IAT’s are under control and hope he doesn’t investigate? I don’t want to paint them as evil as I don’t know the’r real intentions but if I was working with them and this was my car I’d be asking quite a bit…
Yes, Tsivas will get to the bottom of this ;D
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Haven’t re-read it yet… Are they doing anything with rods/pistons to impact compression? If not I don’t see this motor making anymore power really, sure it can take more boost before giving out but if I’m building a motor the heads are getting worked… I’m not going to claim to be that knowledgeable in this area but I made a shit ton more power by having my shitty 2v mustang heads ported on my old GT… Putting forged pistons and rods in there was just to protect the motor… Hopefully, someone else can shed some light on this?
I don’t put any weight in those videos/races. Who knows what’s going on, and there is no baseline to go off of. Completely pointless…
I don’t personally care whether this kit works out or not; I’d like to see it do so, and I think eventually it can, but those threads/videos really just show me that they don’t “get it”. You think they would have learned the first time with the way EC, and their customers, completely hosed them on the release. Now, they are back at it again?
I just don’t get why they didn’t pick 4-5 legit customers in different areas/conditions that could both work closely with them on data collection (logs, drag strip, dyno, whatever), AND keep their mouths shut in the process. They could work through any issues, and then release the product when it was fully ready in a way that makes sense. You know, like providing real data, details, and results. Just the way Magnusson is going about seems so F-ed up.
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Indeed it’s been odd… Trust me I had APR push to get me one and I won’t go into the conversations as I don’t want to piss off APR but the more I think about it they didn’t want someone like you describe… Good thing Richi is willing to share and test his car because no one else is…
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As you’d expect, they don’t really say. Several people asked about specs, and they didn’t go into details. I mean in theory, you could do whatever compression ratio you wanted, and they kind of made it sound like that was the case with something along the lines of a “tell us what specs you want” type of thing. Same deal on the heads. They just said valves, springs, and retainers with no other real details. You’d think if you were going to go to that trouble, you’d do some other headwork in the process (you’d really need to do some anyway with new valves going in). Who knows…
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Agree on both counts. And maybe they will get some initial surge of customers with those So. Cal guys, EC, and Eurotek promoting it this way, but there is no way they’ll sustain any long term success unless they do something different.
“Hey, let’s just have these clowns make a hype video, and everything will be fine… I mean, you know, a video of two unknown cars racing on a public street in the middle of the day should do, right?”
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agreed- In my short time in the B8/8.5 platform it seems like there’s more “real world” knowledge on the user side than the vendor side- like you say, why not use that to your advantage here.
I initially thought it had to do with it being a new platform, and it at least being fundamentally different than previous models. However, we’re six years in, and that is a looooong time regardless; especially since it is a pretty popular platform between the S4/S5/Q5/SQ5. I think that will start to change as you see the JHM’s and 034’s get more involved. Realistically, APR, and Eurocode and Revo to a certain extent, have been the only ones to develop multiple products across the platform. I don’t know that a vendor/shop/company really takes the leap to expert status until they touch a lot of different areas of the car (and obviously, you can question the “expert” status of all of the above companies in some way). It’s just surprising that it’s been that long. I’ve seen far less popular models of cars have a lot more aftermarket support in the same amount of time.
that’s all irrelevant, performance wise, if they are running the same tune on built and stock engined cars. Which they are from the sounds of it.
The race’s biggest problem which a few people have touched on is that we don’t know the modlist on the stage 2 car.
Putting 5 cars on someone in a high speed race (130 mph) is nice, however that translates to about 3 tenths at the dragstrip. If the stage 2 car was auditude, primetime or jones, sure the stage 3 car accomplished something and could probably run 11.2-11.3 @ 123 MPH on race gas in great conditions. even then, that’s not that great when we’re seeing guys going double pulley TVSr1320 and creeping closer to that with the stock blower.
BUT
we don’t know shit about the stage 2 car other than
- B8.5
- APR tuned
- APR pulley
- bad ghost decal on hood
Is it running the 11.5 modlist (open intake, newest tune, LW rotors and wheels)? And is it running an APR TCU tune? Because if not, he’s not hitting 7200 RPM. And if is running it, he may be struggling with short shifting, slipping shifts etc.
So all around, I’m pretty confident those races mean jack shit.
Best case? The car is beating a primetime like stage 2 by 5 cars at high speeds…or about 3 tenths and 2-3 mph at the strip. Is that worth the money? Probably not.
Worst case? The car is beating a 12.0 @ 113 type car which may or may not be experiencing shifting issues making it a 12.2 @ 110 car. That would make the stage 3 car a 11.7-12.0 @ 113-116 type car. Not so good.
At least it finally beat a stage 2 car though. That’s…that’s progress.
I think you or I is confused. In the latest video with the silver car walking the white one they are both stage 3 cars with the silver one having the built EC motor.
Saki, you mean all stage II cars don’t run 11.5x just by showing up at the track?
d.p., there was 2 vids posted I was making comments about the first one more so…
Ahh ok. Either way those videos are fucking dumb as well as the owners of those cars.
Rich should be coming out to us next week per our convo.
I will try and get as much data as I can before the head to head runs happen.
Looks like he is trolling.
[QUOTE=inNout;11151706]Officer llort has reached out to me and is asking for cooperation.
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Officer’s name spelled backwards.
I don’t think he was serious. He replied later say Officer “llort” had contacted him…
Edit, nevermind, I see you saw that…
depends…on AZ if you’re promoting the virtues of stage 3 without a stage 3 timeslip, and after beating a stage 2 in a race? Yes, all stage 2 go 11.5
if you’re anywhere else on earth, it’s a range from 12.5 to 11.5
LOL! Hoping Jeff or I expand that stage II range this weekend on the low side ;D