"That heavy V8" - But is it really heavy? 4.2 FSI vs. the 3.0T weight comparo

We always hear people talking about ‘that heavy V8’ in the 4.2 cars when they’re scrambling for a reason to dislike the 4.2 FSI. It’s a pretty weak swipe…saying you don’t like a V8 is like saying you don’t like good food and perfect weather. Besides, the 4.2 FSI engine is made of aluminium, and the intake manifold is made of magnesium. Further, it’s a densely packed, very compact 4.2 V8. Calling it heavy seems a bit of a guess…sounds like something people say without doing their homework. So I wanted to see.

Cue the self study guide…here’s what it says: approximately 467 lbs manual transmission including clutch and dual-mass flywheel

Interesting. If I am reading that right, it’s 467 lbs + the 26 lb flywheel and the 15-20 lbs clutch (guessing on the clutch). That makes sense because the same study guide says the lower revving 4.2 FSI in the Q7 and S5 weighs 437 lbs.

So we can say the RS4 engine weighs around 430 lbs, and the S5/Q7 engine weighs 437 lbs.
http://www.s4-mtm.com/images/RS4V8-StudyGuide.pdf

To do a comparison, I thought I would have a look at the popular 3.0T. It would make sense to use this engine as a comparison because it’s the new, more efficient and apparently lighter engine, and is the next generation engine for the S5 and Q7. It’s also the engine owned by the people who throw the ‘heavy 4.2’ insult around most often :smiley: Of course the new 8K cars aren’t really that light…they’re mostly4000 lbs or so, more than the 8E cars. I’m suspecting the 3.0T isn’t really a featherweight…

Audi says: 3.0T - 418 lbs
http://www.s4-mtm.com/images/925803_3.0V6TFSIengine.pdf

???

Wait, so the 4.2 only weighs 10-20 lbs more than the 3.0T? That’s interesting. So much for the heavy V8 talk. I guess the smaller displacement 3.0T engine has the handicap of a 50 lb supercharger in the valley, not to mention intercooling etc.

Anyway, just thought that was a neat comparison.

http://www.audiworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/header317.jpg

Good info, the study guide is great in so many ways. I often forget to check it for stuff when I’m stuck or trying to figure out this or that.

the placement of the engines in the B8 will help with the balance a bit, but yeah its always been a joke (especially when talking about S5s for instance). even B5 v B6 the tools touted the ‘heavy V8’ when the weight difference wasn’t that large.

it would be interesting to consider the weight of all of the engine components and fluids and compare the two, those quoted weights are for the long blocks iirc and don’t include ancillary parts and fluids

That is really funny because the B5 and B6 engines weight the same according to the SSP, 195Kg or 429.9 pounds.

What’s really funny is all these motors are heavier than a 427 chev v8. Yes it’s heavy…they’re all heavy.

Fully dressed, the weight difference between a gen3 or 4 sbc and the 4.2 is marginal. Accessories for lsx’s are typically not light

Its great how black that carbon fiber trim looks in that engine bay picture. I should have swapped mine out while still under warranty.

^ I was thinking the same. They really look best when they’re new and black/dark like in that pic. The engine bay is also immaculate in the picture, that might be swaying my opinion as well.

Definitely interesting.

Just had suspension installed (Stasis SLs + Swift Metric springs) and the tech is a racer so he has corner balance scales he brought in. As a data point, with the 210lbs tech and just over 1/2 tank of gas, it came in at 3930lbs and cross weight at 49.71%. Also had OEM wheels with 265 Blizzaks on

Not sure if this is of any interest, but seems appropriate…

Good info…
Thanks.

those are some wide ass winters! Must be interesting in deep snow. Like snowboards. I find my RS4 with 255s on it quite a bit worse than my S4 with 235.

so 3930 lbs…interesting.

That means your car weighs 3720 without him…and 3775 lbs with a full tank of gas. Stock is around 3920 with a full tank, so what’s missing? Or is the scale off a little? Any light weight parts? 150 lbs is a bunch. I guess DRC vs SLs isn’t much different (p.s. is Stasis still selling stuff?). Full exhaust can save you 20-40 lbs depending.

Winters are wide for sure…but a few years ago they were on closeout for $99/tire, so couldn’t pass them up. And deep snow doesn’t happen much for me…the car does fine, just requires I slow down a bit more than if they were narrower.

Not sure on the scale. I did remove the DRC (obviously) and the accumulators . I have the H-pipe so no resonators and piggies, so a few ounces in cat material. Ha.

Scales very well could have been off. I did go with Swift springs instead of Hypercos, and although I haven’t weighed the Hypercos yet, the Swifts do have 1 less coil than the Hypercos, so there is some weight there. But you’re right, none of that adds to 150lbs.

I posted that info more around the ability to get the car close to 50% cross weighted. Which may not be interesting, I don’t know. I have essentially no experience with that sort of “track” setup stuff. I certainly didn’t need that sort of setup done for a car that only does HPDEs, but it is a nice to have that I didn’t have to pay for.

wow, $99??? that’s an amazing price. Definitely worth it, especially where you are (Oregon or Washington?)

Yeah, more interesting with respect to balance than an absolute weight. Like dynos scales can go about things differently. We see that with the automotive periodicals, where ‘curb weight’ varies by 50-100 lbs for the same car.

I have always weighed my S4 on the same certified scale, which has a 20 lb resolution. My weight was always 4040 lb with 165 lb of me and a half tank of gas in the car. So figure around 3825-3835 lb, and that’s with a couple gallons of coolant and a couple gallons of motor oil, most of a gallon of trans oil, half gallon of diff oil, etc. So factory claim of curb weight sounds about right.

That was on stock 30 lb S4 Avus wheels and lame tires. Now with PSS’s and 20.6 lb wheels and no spare, I’ve lost 40+ lb in wheels/tires and over 50 lb with the spare, so I should imagine that the car is 3750 or less now.

I can’t imagine the RS4 is any heavier, and you guys already have no spare, right? Those weights don’t sound funny to me in comparison to my S4’s weight.

The rs4 is heavier. 70 lbs heavier than a b7 s4 which itself is 30 lbs heavier than a b6 s4. While the RS4 has some aluminium bits (hood - 20, otherwise front fenders -20 total ) it also has massive brakes, DRC, much bigger exhaust in much bigger diameter (2.63"downpipes, 2.36"catback) wider body etc. I used to find it confusing that it weighed more but I guess it adds up.

3920/3850/3820

You forgot the B7 S4 Avant and B6 S4 Avant (and all iterations of cabs) in your list :slight_smile:

they’re about what…100-120 lbs heavier? Cabs who knows.

Doesn’t matter. Men don’t drive cab’s and hair dressers don’t care what it weighs. :wink: