"The JHM stage 2 kit makes much less tq than the old APR 1320 kit" -twits4estate

B6/7 S4/RS4
#21

Exactly.

Dealer said ‘there’s no compression on cylinder x’ according to tweets

JHM employee looks at the car and sees theres a fuel delivery problem. Reconnects it. Car drives fine.

Dealership made an incorrect diagnosis, and tweets is clinging to it. If it was making 0 compression in cylinder x the owner wouldn’t drive the car 20 feet. He’s a man of means who is not going to do something stupid.

So, tweets is now faced with the realisation that he took a piece of incorrect information, and looks like an asshole for it.

What does he say?

[quote=teetS4estate]The other Point you make about the car and the dealership is wrong according to the dealer documentation that anyone can access if they have the vin and go to a dealership. It left with the problem. I never said it wasn’t fixed by Kurt or JHM (the car was shipped to JHM soon after. All I’ve ever said is according to the service records it left with 0 comp in a specific cylinder.
[/quote]
Whoa…big change in his story. Now he’s saying that the engine was blown and blew out a cylinder…and somehow Kurt showed up and fixed it and it drove out of there? What…did Kurt bring a new engine on his back? (If you’ve seen him, he probably could, but he didn’t in this case). No clearly the dealer misdiagnosis was on the report, then Kurt fixed it and the car left. It was then sent to california as planned for a built motor when the client went on his winter vacation, again, as planned.

So clearly teetS4estate is struggling and realises he is trapped. What is his next post?

[quote]This petty arguing is idiotic. All of you JHM/AR guys can have this thread.
[/quote]
He is running for the hills.

#22

Next funny thing from that thread from the two AMD idiots

Jason@AMD now says ‘JHM 6psi makes 35 whp’

The backstory - a JHM stage 1 car dyno’d at 034 motorsports. The same day, BenSti dyno’d his RS4 with a few mods including JHM clutch, flywheel, and ebwerks exhaust with the good Sebring mufflers (the prototype made with Sebrings…the production was made with some ghetto replacements once Sebring told Ben to go fuck himself after it came out he copied the JHM exhaust and was a collossal fucking asshole to one of Sebring’s biggest customers)

So the exhaust is both made by ebwerks…but they’re not the same. Minor detail but let’s get it out of the way.

Ben’s 2.75" catless exhaust results according to him - 335 whp
JHM 2.75" catless+JHM 6psi result - 389 whp
Delta = 54 whp

Then it came out that Ben actually dyno’d 328 whp, not 335 whp.

New delta = 61 whp

So I’m not sure where Jason gets 35 whp? Is he using Ben’s strongest (and as we found out WRONG result) vs. the second JHM number of 371 whp? That’s not exactly scientific lol…that’s called cherry picking results to prove your point!

So if we do want to use JHM’s worst number of 371 whp, let’s also use Ben’s worst # of 318 whp which someone mentioned. Ben I think

New Delta = 53 whp

So…let’s get a few things out of the way

  1. 53 whp delta (worst cases) or 61 whp delta (best cases)
    NOT 35

  2. Are there any other variables?
    fuel? are they both on the same 91 octane?
    carbon? when were they each carbon cleaned?
    general health? do either of the cars have any problems influending the results?
    mileage? Denis’ motor is original, 8 years old. ben’s is a replacement motor new from Audi 2 years ago

There’s certainly lots to consider.

Bottom line? 50-60 whp is significant delta but frankly it’s not awesome. JHM, when shown this result, immediately said ‘that’s odd, let’s look into it’ and are reaching out to Denis to see what’s up. They want him to be happy.

I will say this. Getting too hung up on a dyno result is kind of stupid. As we’ve already seen, real world acceleration wise, the JHM stage 1 does REEEEALLY well.

Ben’s setup MIGHT be good for 12.5 @ 110 in the quarter mile. The JHM stage 1 with 2.75" catless has ALREADY gone 11.6 @ 118 MPH. Do we really care about dyno numbers? Or do we realise that dynos are finicky little things and that real world results are what matter?

For me this proves 1 thing. Jason@AMD is a complete tosser lol. He is desperate.

#23

lol

#24

Ya but not before he takes one last shot at AR. What a jackass.

#25

Listen, you can’t win them all…but when a confirmed loser like teetS4estate, who has been shown, in print, to be a liar and a weasel who stirs shit…multiple times…mentions that he hates Audirevolution.net, can that be a bad thing?

lol

If it was someone legit I would say ‘that sucks…he’s a good guy and that looks bad’ . When it’s a complete retard like teet I am happy to see him have a go at AR.

The best part is the egocentric asshole at AMD who described AR as a site created to attack him. Hey big guy…you’re a fly on the windscreen. This site is 3 years old, has 900 members who were handchosen and approved individually, has thousands of topics and tens of thousands of posts on a variety of issues. I believe about 100 posts in the history of the site reference you or your shit company, and the MAJORITY of those were spawned when you came here to start shit. Don’t be so full of yourself lol.

Since we know jason@AMD is famous for his three customers (teets4estate, dshot, burningcoals) and their dyno results, I thought it would be funny to mention that all three of them have had catastrophic failures, and NONE of their cars are currently running. They’re in pieces, and not by choice.

I also thought it would be funny to mention JASON@AMD’s avatar. This is what your car will look like if you hire AMD. Broken down with the hood open. Give him credit there…at least he’s honest and projecting a true image :slight_smile:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/customavatars/avatar21788_3.gif

#26

haha ya i thought that was funny as well. as if the AR membership anxiously ponders its next “attack” on AMD. what a joke.

in any event, that thread is now locked. glad to see that the mod doesn’t plan on deleting anyone’s post (not sure why he would even think about doing so, frankly).

#27

I believe he said that because that used to be the modus operandi at Audizine. Delete the fights, hand out infractions, and make the site look like nothing bad ever happened. Unfortunately then you lose the record of who is a liar/idiot and who knows what they’re talking about. And you lose the lulz.

They received lots of heat for the old policy, so now they tend to leave them alone.

#28

these numbers does not seem too impressive:

  1. 53 whp delta (worst cases) or 61 whp delta (best cases)
    NOT 35

these threads are crazy and make it hard to differ reality from BS ie a lot of fat to cut through.

i thought i saw you post up a summary somewhere…will have to look more for it.

is jhm stage 1 out at this point? i saw someone getting the kit on the east coast…think VA and is going to install himself with a few friends.

jason is a dick…but i have been in Dave’s car and it is a beast…I would like to try and understand the price/power ratio between AMD aka jason da dicks kit vs JHM.

I like the fact I can do the JHM install myself vs can not with AMD’s.

#29

Come on swesna, how much faith do we really put in dyno numbers. There are very few people who even care about that dyno day…and it’s the people who look for reasons to talk shit on JHM. What is the most fascinating is Benny boy lying about his numbers at first to try and make things look just a little bit worse.

People also keep quoting peak HP bullshit…so it make 61whp best case…PEAK, has anyone compared a stock dyno across the whole power band, not to mention how the kit performs through the first 4 gears.

Take a step back Swesna and think about all of this. This kit, non-intercooled will easily be good for mid-11s with some supporting mods (exhaust/clutch).

There hasn’t been an official release, but when it happens I think we will see a video with multiple cars running some pretty great times.

Where has Dave been? he fell off the face of the earth after he went AMD. Seems like he would come tell us how great the choir was that he made after he asked for AR input. Hope his trial/error tune is working out.

#30

Based on Dave taking me for a few drives in his car and me driving it as well (I did not get on it much) the AMD SC does feel very quick. Dave is not out to prove anything but just enjoy his car and I am thinking that is why he is low key. He is not trying to be the poster child for AMD like Potato is being for APR. Some ppl get off on that kind of stuff.

I am sure Dave is happy with his decision…and his car sounds ridiculously great with the full JHM exhaust.

Jason sucks for marketing and does his brand an injustice every time he opens his mouth. I thought it was funny when he insinuated that APR did not have SC installed at Waterfest…or some sheeit like that. He is a bozo but the SC felt legit to me.

#31

Reid has not been “confirmed in print to be a liar”

All we have is an account on AR disagreeing with him.

Dyno results? Didn’t Reid get the record for full weight b5 s4 this summer? And isn’t the AMD RS4 extremely close in 1/4 mile results on pump like the other two competitors?
[/quote]

#32

Yes Reid has been shown to be a liar. He has zero credibility.

As for amd nobody knows about them for their rs4 result. The RS4 world barely knows AMD exists . Amd is only really known in the B5 world and it is for dyno racing which works well on B5 forums. In general they are best known for the owner/janitor/receptionist aka Jason being a collossal idiot online.

Up until this last year no amd car had done a fucking thing other than dyno and blow the car up. Or do 60 to 130 and blow the car up. If you want to know why performance sucked dick see the thread I started here…

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=485.0

It seems they finally listened to us and ditched EPL as of a few months ago. Since then they have had two cars so solidly well oerformance wise. Reputation wise however they are still a disaster. For example we are still waiting for photos of this supposedly running shop car…

#33

Nope

#34

To add to this, AMD really has nothing to do with the kit besides installation and dynos. Jonathan designed the hardware and UM tuned it…what did AMD do, install a few and do some dynos and data logs? Let’s just call it the Aviva/UM RS4 supercharger installed by AMD.

Posts like this are comical too…one of the koolade drinkers questioning why the B5 1/4mile times suck so bad.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/92800314/Burningcoals.png

I guess we got a hail mary run though, how is tweets car doing in the winter snow??

SO Aviva only came up with this kit to SHOW AR…lol good for them, hope they sell a few.

#35

whatecer Corbett go do some reading

Next you will tell us dickbeater is a genius. Anyway moving on…

Swesna not sure what you were asking above. I agree the numbers on the dyno on that jhm stage 1 kit weren’t very good. Of course if we consider the following…

  1. A non intercooled, stationary, supercharged RS4, pushing boosted air into the engine, sourced from the open intake in the hot engine bay in a hot room with modest airflow from fans, on a warm california afternoon…this car dynod something unimpressive? Are we supposed to be shocked? The dyno isn’t a great tool at the best of times for reflecting what a car can do on the road. This is no exception. Did they then lone up and do some pulls? Denis’ car would put a good half a dozen car lengths on Ben.

  2. Dyno? Is this really how anyone on this site evaluates their performance parts? If the car went 11.74 @ 117.5 would you say “that’s not very good because the dyno wasn’t impressive”. No. You would forget about the dyno

  3. Bens car vs Denis ’ car. We still haven’t heard from the sources what the differences were. It was claimed they had the same exhaust. Interesting because Denis has a catted system. Does Ben? As we know eliminating cats is good for 15-25 whp and wtq . Were they on same fuel? These two things alone can be additional huge delta.

So there’s rarely much weight given to dyno numbers at the best of times on this site whether kits do well or do poorly. AMD dynod 475 whp with their HP kit, but nobody here really cared other than slapping Jason with the numbers vs the old apr1320 kit which he trash talked. AMD went 11.36@126. That’s awesome and frankly far more INTERESTING than any dynoing, good or bad. If the JHM kit dyno’d 475 whp stage 1 are we going to give them a pass and say ‘way to go that proves it’s great’? No. We still want to see it go 11.6 @ 118.

#36

No need to read. I don’t take much on this site as truth. Lots of made up stories get tossed around here.

#37

I’m sorry has your car gone faster than my b5 k04 car? No. Hail Mary run? He ran multiple 10.9 second or less passes on multiple days.

#38

So his car is still running and they didn’t kill the car?

#39

You’ll have to ask him that. Lots of b5s break at that power level, just like the JHM 10.8 car.

#40

The JHM 10.8 car broke an axel. The other B5 in question broke the motor. Again after how many times. The JHM B5 that went 10s still runs and its how many years later.