To elaborate on what was said above. What you wrote isn’t even remotely true in this case. I think most people should realize how generous V8a6 is being. He footed a big bill I’m sure to build these and when interest cropped up he is offering to use his car to build a few lucky people a set. BMW headers are over 6k…for the v10 a full set is 8k…for the BMW. Sure sure this isn’t the BMW but Even audi said the S6 is hampered due to the exhaust manifolds.
I think people should be cautious but this car is almost 10 years old and there has been no development. Again sure be cautious but if your waiting to hear how this sounds or concerned this won’t make power your going to pay a premium or not have any chance at what’s going on.
Not looking to argue just looking to give a different perspective.
OK first off… next time, before you publicly question someones integrity, make sure you have your facts 100% straight, and aren’t besmirching someones reputation based solely on bullshit.
And on that note, let’s start with your bullshit
Right now, I have offered several AudiRevolution members the chance to buy the headers, before my car goes back together. I did this for one reason, and one reason only… because I told people from the beginning that eventually, they would have a chance to buy these parts that we are developing.
Let me make this perfectly clear…IT IS NOT FOR PROFIT - THE PRICE WE ARE WORKING TO OFFER THEM AT WILL HAVE MAYBE $200-300 PROFIT BUILT IN TO COVER THE EXTRA DOWNTIME AND INSURANCE PAYMENTS ON THE CAR - I AM NOT PROFITING AT ALL FOR ANY HEADERS MADE AT THIS TIME
As I stated earlier, we originally planned to put everything back together, provide results from dyno and track, and then build future sets off a v10 S6 DEV car we thought we were going to be able to get, for all intensive purposes, for free. That deal fell through, and we ended up in a difficult position.
Once the car is put back together and sent back to me in Canada (the car has been gone almost a year at this point, and has cost me over $2000 just in car insurance payments during that time), we will get some results from the track in the Fall when the blistering summer heat dies down. To make any future sets of headers at that point, we will have to do EVERYTHING over again.
I am not going to drive my car back down to the US a second time, take the bus back to Canada, leave my car there for months, have the shop drain fluids and pull the engine, so that I can have one or two more sets of headers made for people who werent ready to buy them now. Therefore, we will have to buy a DEV car to make future sets. And yes, I guarantee THE PRICE WILL GO UP, to include the expense of the DEV car and/or the labor to pull the engine.
There is no possible way it will be cheaper than what it is now, because we are selling them at cost. Get it ? ? ? ? !!! If the DEV car costs $10k, and we happen to get five people who order a set, then the price will be $2k higher on each set than it is now. We still wont make any profit, but we’ll have a car for development, after that. If we can find a way to make them cheaper than that, then we will. But THEY WILL NEVER BE CHEAPER THAN NOW!
These will never be a high production item, no matter what. Even at cost, so far, I am the only person in the world willing to pay to have a set made, and go through all the other expenses and effort involved in that. I have talked to the guys at the shop, and a jig does not make financial sense with the numbers we are looking at.
Ironically, anyone who buys a set now, actually will get them cheaper than I did, when you factor in all my other expenses.
In all likelyhood, once the car is put back together, there will never be another set made. Just as it happened with Beemercer’s A6 headers. If people are hesitating now at cost, it is unlikely they are going to pay COST+$2k, just because we have a dyno sheet with them. But, at least I can say I kept my word, and gave people a chance to buy them, as I said I would.
Install pics have been posted, so that is more bullshit. There are several pics of the headers being built, installed on the block, pics of them complete off the block, and even pics of the bottom of the car with them installed, as the drivetrain is positioned back in the vehicle.
The startup video will not happen until the car is fully back together. At that point, there wont be any more sets offered at cost, as previously outlined.
The be ne fits that I listed, I can guarantee.
Reduced engine bay heat
Lambo-like Sound
Catalytic and 02 sensor relocation - no need to drop the engine ever again, to get to the upper cats/o2s
Increased performance - UNLEASH THE BEAST !!!
I never promised 1000hp gain. I only listed things that I am 100% positive will be gained with the installation of our headers. So again, to say that there are 'no guaranteed be ne fits whatsoever’ is more bullshit.
Thanks for the perspective storm, I already considered the potential if the headers are tuned properly and we are able to increase air flow and cool the engine then we will see an increase in power. Its a proven concept and actually discussed in audi’s own manual. That is what these gentilmen are basing the headers build off and they are putting there own credibility on the line and spending Thousands of dollars of their own money with no monetary gain. Given that understanding I am happy to take a risk even if the only out come my car the headers make My car sound like the angels herald The second coming. I’d be ok then see where jhm is with adapting that supercharger for the 4.2 to the v10 with the headers as a support mod.
Let his post and his next reflect my thoughts as well.
I really believe in V8a6 and while I under stand Storm for trying to add some different perspective v8a6 isn’t making any claims but what’s a give.
And it’s not exactly unproven. Your removing the cats so there your gaining power. Your creating what Audi said should be done with the stock manifold system. I can’t say how much power is offered there. But most people understand what’s going on here. The bottom line is if you want a set your going to have to make a educated judgement from what you currently know now. The fact that v8a6 is even offering this says something because when he started on all this nobody was showing him pictures of how these non existent headers fit at the time. V8a6 made a big leap and from his posts made a lot of research before he did. I don’t see him pushing anything but offering more then I would. Big props to v8a6 for offering to let someone else gain from his car on his dime.
I want to apologize for my comments above. I was, in no way, trying to question V8A6’s integrity, nor his commitment to the development of improvements for the V10 S6. I wouldn’t have been checking in on this thread since it started if I didn’t think he is doing something good for the S6 community. So, I sincerely apologize for that. I now realize that I came off like a troll.
My comments were simply a gut reaction to a “get them now” call - something I got burned on in the past, as stated above. I, along with several other people, ended up in a legal process that took over a year to resolve. So, I overreacted In this case and didn’t formulate my thoughts very well. That said, I was in no way trying to imply that could happen here; merely stating how badly things can go wrong.
In some ways, the aftermarket performance market is like the wild, wild west. There have been numerous instances of companies misleading and defrauding it’s customers. So, your caution is warranted.
In the case of the headers, I have been very clear with what can be expected. I would much rather under-promise and over-deliver, then leave people disappointed.
Compared to other available parts for the car, I am confident the headers will be a great value. From what I have seen, the single most popular mod for the v10 S6, up until this point, has been the Milltek exhaust, which costs $2k and adds very little to performance. For $2k, you get a nicer sound and some shiny tips. The headers will cost substantially more, but deliver so much more, as outlined earlier.
Car modifications are never an investment. With most mods, your money is gone the second after you install the parts. The cool thing about the headers is that, aside from the performance improvement, you also gain a car that is much easier to work on, when it comes to the upper cats and o2s. That change alone can save you thousands of dollars in the future.
Via PM, I have been answering a lot of detailed questions regarding the headers. Later today Ill try and make another post with answers to the common questions.
I just got the price today from the fab shop. Regular price for the headers will be $6899 (if available in the future). But, anyone who orders by June 30th, will get them at a special introductory price, which is our cost. PM me if you want details.
This may be the only time to get a set. As mentioned earlier, if we can acquire another v10 S6, then we may build more in the future. However, there is no guarantee that will happen. And obviously, in the future, the price will be much higher.
I am allowing the shop to use my car now, while the engine is out, to build these sets. This will delay me getting the car back an extra three months. In the meantime, I’m paying $200 bucks a month insurance on the car, but I’m not passing on this cost to the consumer. Ill cover the costs, so that people can have a chance to get a set beautiful headers at the lowest price possible.
Guys if you are gonna do this NOW is the time this deal is fantastic!! You have to realize this is ground breaking dev work if we are ever going to get any kind of aftermarket we pretty much are going to have to do it ourselves. I am going to work really hard so I don’t miss out on this opportunity. Good luck with this!!!
Where are you located again? It currently lives in the Detroit area, but will be back in Canada hopefully before the end of the year.
But if I happen to win the lottery, it may just end up with JHM in California, while I beg them to adapt their Vortech kit to the car. Because, who doesnt need a supercharged v10
Thanks man. The guys at the shop are true artists. So much work has gone into the car, and I couldn’t be happier with the way things are turning out.
As we have mentioned many times, the fundamentals for the performance piece of the project are all copied from the path established by the fast NA v8 S4 builds. At the same, it is so cool to see those principles applied to the v10 S6, in a whole new way. Especially since the car has been pretty much ignored by the aftermarket performance sector, up until now.
the headers are truly the worst business idea ever. There’s a reason the only competitors are crap that is made in China (and doesn’t work because they do fuck all in the way of researching them)
JHM sells the S4 headers (V8) for around $2750. They literally hand made them for the last 7 years. It takes a dog’s age to make a set, and on top of this they use retardedly high quality stainless pipe and flanges etc. If they’re not perfect, they pretty much scrap them. When all is said and done after paying the welder to make them, they make a few hundred bucks. They tie up their fabricator for a bunch of hrs to do so, use space in his shop etc. All for a few hundred bucks that is pretty much gonzo if they wreck a set. On top of this, they wrecked about 10 sets when they designed them. There aren’t many around (not many guys have $2750 for an exhaust mod and want to do an engine pull to install them). So they take forever to recoup R&D
The S6? These will be financially worse if you can believe it.
So I get why people are like ‘let’s get some nice cheap ones like the LSX world’. That’s not happening. If you can make equivalent quality and performance headers to what JHM makes for say half the cost, JHM will buy 500 sets from you and sell them as JHM headers. But you won’t. Because you can’t.
