LOL
I’m probably late to the show in finding this. At least it’s better than that MP90 shit. Still wouldn’t buy from them.
Ya your a little behind. NGNG supposedly had this on his car for a while before he sold it.
JHM should go find one and run them with their stage 1 kit.
Funny story about that.
NGNG and VF worked to try and make that kit the JHM killer (not kidding) they poored tons of money into the kit. The old VF M90 kit made 360whp with the M90 (one pass only would it do that next passes it made about 20whp less each time) The 1900kit made Drum roll please 378whp only 18whp more. Where the JHM Vortech unit made 440whp with no intercooler stage 1
The 1900 put out WAY WAY too much heat and takes too much to drive it. The one company using the 1900 on the RS4 makes less power then APR using the 1740.
On the RS4 the company that used the 1900 had to run 16lbs of boost to make 436whp. VF is using the same 1900 and only using 5.5lbs of boost on the S4.
I think the big thing that never gets talked about with the roots style blowers. TVS1900 or M90 is that they are one pass wonders. After the first pull or pass your generating soooo much heat that you loose 20whp or more each pass or pull on the dyno. Vs the C-fuge JHM or TTS type blowers where each pass the car gets more hp as the air charge is cooler. With the TVS or M roots style you need serious cooling. You know when APR used a smaller unit TVS1740 on the RS4 that the TVS1900 is a bust and too big and too hot for the 4.2
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D2XIrAxQbNc
Just realized you’re talking about the TVS1900. It’d probably be the same result though, if not worse for the VF s/c.
Edit: i was thinking of the wrong video, I’ve never seen that one.
I did see that NGNG had it, but thought it was just a one off deal since at the time time their website still showed the shite M90 blower as the only option. Not like it matter much. Turd sandwich all the way around.
You’re in luck, the infamous NGNG car is for sale currently.
http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=104365&title=supercharged-audi-s4-w-2f-oem-rs4-widebody&cat=68
Just curious, but can anyone breakdown the costs for the parts of the VFE TVS1900 kit vs the APR TVS1740? I just want to see where the extra $10k comes from in the RS4 APR kit.
Haha enjoyed your comments on there. I feel for the poor bugger (skifreakjay) who bought the car off ngng I wonder what he paid for it
Yeah I was thinking the same thing
Or the AMDAVIVA kit for that matter which also uses the 1900 ($15,000 I believe )
(2) Machined APR logos on blower casing - $5000…lol
I’m not a JHM fanboy but there stage 2 is now looking more and more appealing. For $17k, you could get a stage 2 kit, JHM full exhaust, clutch, and a tranny rebuild or possibly they could just go the build motor path and s/c. And I didn’t even take into consideration the HPFP that are needed. APR is definitely a reputable company if not the most reputable and you get what you pay for but JHM is no slouch either. They are producing a just as great result at a fraction of the cost. That seems like a win-win for me. Just my 2 cents.
You realize just because you like a companies products that doesn’t make you a fanboy. It’s kinda weird you started your sentence off like that.
Your post makes tons of sense though. $20k for just the supercharger is pretty pricy when other kits will run you almost half. Also like you mention, supporting mods are very important when you are upgrading to that amount of power. I’m not sure why someone would purchase APR over JHM from a reputation standpoint. APR is a great company and supports a ton of platforms, but JHM has built their name and company around the 4.2 v8s at this point.
It’s sad that BMP has to almost apologise for preferring JHM. This is how rabid and crazy the empty headed retards on most of the forums are. The flying tomatoes, bensti, mickf29stone…these guys attack you if you like and support JHM and label you a fan boy for supporting the one company with an EXCELLENT reputation for parts development, performance results, maintaining integrity in the presentation of those results, service, support and their continued development of the platforms.
Its easy to be a JHM fan. When you think about it, that crew of doughboy are more passionate about attacking JHM fans than anything. They’re seriously confused. Best part is they all owned JHM parts for their cars which performed fabulously. And continue to perform. They end up hiding their JHM parts in their public postings and forum signatures lol. Sorry, and who is the extremist here?
The fact that you have to fear reprisal or scrutiny for supporting the absolutely dominant market leader is nuts.
Lol, I started it off like that bc I want people to know I don’t have some agenda other than best product for the fairest price. I understand companies aren’t here to take a loss and R&D is not cheap. So I understand where it may be coming from. I look at the American muscle kits that have the same type hardware for a fraction of the costs of kits for euros. Just because our cars are German, the price goes up? For example, look at the stasis/vf s/c kit for the v10 R8 selling for $30k. What a PES of shit kit that is. 185hp gains for $30k. I guess if people are stupid enough to pay for it then they’ll continue to sell them. I just want consumers to be aware of price gouging is all.
Why does it have to be an “agenda” when you point out how one company’s product is better than another’s? I think there are some great companies out there, but like I mentioned…when a company is built around a platform it is hard to try something that has already been tested to the limit.
If JHM put out shit or screwed someone over I wouldn’t sit back and be quiet just because it was JHM. Plus almost every incident that the doughboy crew blamed on JHM was a big fat lie. Hell some of them even apologized, others still have parts on their cars.
I don’t think you can compare a supercharger system designed for a b6/7 S4 to let’s say a mustang. Regardless whether it the same charger assembly/hardware the company selling to domestics know they are gonna sell a shit ton of kits…the cars are cheaper, installs are usually easier, supporting mods are cheaper, and if you go out and drive down the highway for 10 miles your sure to see probably 15 mustangs. You’ll probably see 250 mustangs before you see an S4…lol that is random, but I have seen like 3 RS4 out driving…ever.
It is not just the fact that Audi’s are German cars and cost more to begin with. It is really a matter of sales volume. The aftermarket for domestic cars, i.e. LSx engines etc. is vast and there are thousands of parts from dozens, if not hundreds of manufacturers. There is a huge market for these platforms with a ton of competition, hence the generally lower prices for parts. Now compare that to the Audi scene, with just a fraction of the market and just a handfull of companies making goods for them.
But even with the parts in the domestic world being cheaper because of volume, there are still shit parts out there. You can buy $500 headers made out of tin foil that rust out in a year, or you can pay $1500 for a good set. Just because you can get parts cheap doesn’t mean they are good parts in the domestic world.
It’s funny to see people complain about the price of JHM parts, basically one off parts that you would pay an arm and a leg for to have fabricated or machined yourself. I think APR just charges more because they are APR (refer to my APR log jab) or they have more people with their hand in the pot. They have 25 people designing a project instead of let’s say 5.
My opinion is both companies (JHM and APR) are putting out good, reliable products at a reasonable price all things considered.
For me, the price alone would push me to JHM for RS4 stuff, and guarantees it once you consider the performance of their products, customer satisfaction , and overall company history.
I can appreciate both companies, and without multiple companies developing for these platforms and competing with each other , we would be stuck with things like that ridiculously priced MTM kit for the RS4.
I know this thread isn’t about the RS4, but I’m just using it as an example.
And just like that, the ad is gone. Moral of the story is, don’t buy questionable performance products from any company that don’t have any proven results (quarter mile, pbox dyno etc.) or you’ll be regretting it like that poor fella skifreakjay. Forums like these saved me companies like PES and VF. AMD has not totally been shot down yet but when sak called him out, he acted like a little kid so yea I would probably not go that route either. We should be thankful for scrutiny these companies have to face from forum members.