cool. Can we see the video of your 60-130 then?
while we’re at it…the HPF E46 M3 guys are big 60-130 lovers. Why? the cars just flat don’t work until big speeds. They run 12s at the dragstrip all the time…then blame the track’s traction. It’s pretty funny shit. Shit tuning.
I agree the big hp awd cars don’t have much to stand on. But the big hp rwd cars (that don’t have widebodys for bigger tires, seriously advanced traction control, and aren’t running slicks/rcompound/etc) really struggle to hook up prior to decent speeds. Not an excuse b/c that’s the nature of the car, but as an example, the rear end will get pretty loose in the viper when it’s punched at 50mph in third gear even! Even BMW M division hinted that they may look into AWD for the next M5 b/c it’s reached a hp limit that traction can keep up with.
Driver skill is where the rest of it is needed in those scenarios b/c it’s obvious that some seriously fast 1/4 times have been set by similar cars (but yet the kill stories by much weaker cars are abundant due to the right driver not being behind the wheel of the high hp rwd car). I can’t figure out the HPF M3’s, I’d think someone would have sorted them out by now to set some decent times.
The final argument I hear about the bigger hp guys and the 60-130mph test, is that the big hp guys might not be much faster in a 1/4 than some cars, but that they continue to accelerate much more than cars that set similar et or even trap in some cases. I.e. if you took a high hp rwd car and had him run the standing mile vs a car that set similar time/trap in the 1/4, the difference in the standing mile would be much greater. So given that they are just beginning to tap into their performance band (60mph+), the cars haven’t been given the opportunity to stretch their legs more to show their strengths (which you should be good at everything, not just one thing obviously).
I’m just here to share a story and in truth, some interesting view points. It all comes down to bragging rights and cock measuring in reality. And our argument ended with, if a car was faster in the 1/4, but got beat fairly solid in a interstate roll, the “faster” car would be the more dominate interstate victory (in his opinion, b/c as said, no one around here runs from a dig, it’s all “lets hop on the interstate”).
Another comparison of this, is if you shortened it to the 1/8th mile, I’d probably beat his viper every time, but if we roll from 40-120, he’s gonna put several car lengths on me. Then Jay’s SC S4 has run 11.9 which is similar ET to a viper srt10 with a good driver, but there’s 8+mph difference between the two as well.
So going back to the B5 big turbo guys, what happens if one of them runs 11.5 @ 135, obviously they missed a lot down low or shit tune, but it’s still crossing that line damn fast, and if you pull up to one on the interstate, it’s gonna be goodbye. (yes, VAST & JHM have done 130+ and/or in the 10’s, so arguably better “all round car” I’m just tossing ideas out there and it doesn’t have to be about the B5 guys
The standing mile is just a novelty act to me. Extremely extremely impressive what type of numbers & power is being driven, but it’s never part of you’re daily drive (but most of those aren’t a DD anyhow).
see its just not true (the RWD car thing). It’s just an easy excuse to explain away your build’s shortcomings or your terrible driving.
Last time I checked, Z06 and ZR1 look pretty fucking special at the dragstrip, as do big power Vipers, Ford GTs. If you’re really struggling to put up a respectable time, it’s your tune or it’s the driver. Or both. Or your car just isn’t what your dyno sheet says it is. Don’t forget to read the magazine times…those are all bone stock cars with full tanks of pump gas and street tires.
p.s. as I said above, don’t forget…the ‘interstate’ pull is bullshit too.
Quarter mile = 0-1320 feet. For a big power car it equals 0-130 mph.
Interstate pull = 40, 50 or 60 to 130 mph.
If you check out your timeslip for my ‘slow’ B7 Rs4, you’re hitting the 60 foot mark around the top of 1st gear (30-40 mph) after 1.8-1.9 seconds. You’re hitting 60 mph by around 200 feet after 4.3-4.5 seconds. The big power cars are hitting 60mph before 200 feet. So they have 60-130 mph…or an 1120 foot long race.
If you’re killing a guy in the quarter mile…but he’s killing you on the interstate, there’s something terribly wrong with his car, or the driver…because how is he killing you in the final 1120 feet but losing so much ground in the first 200 feet that you’re making up his 60-130 advantage and then some to beat him soundly by 1320 feet?
Do you know how hard it is to give up about 5-6 car lengths in 200 feet at those slow speeds? Do you know how hard you have to fuck up to give a guy that much of a lead in that short a race? Your 1/8th mile analogy is interesting. You’re not beating him by a full second to the 1/8th though. Maybe 2-3 tenths if he’s a terrible driver…and his MPH is already slaughtering you by then (my Gtech Pro RR came from a VIPER owner and he had a bunch of dragstrip passes on it. There’s on there for the 1/8th. 0-60 mph in 3.6 seconds. 0-100 mph in 7.0 seconds. 1/8th mile in 6.9@99.5. You’re not beating that car. If you are, your friend sucks at driving . That viper was modded, but even if it’s stock, he’s getting through the 1/8th in 7.5 on a bad day. You’d be hard pressed to beat or even match him there).
Your analogy will likely not even make sense on a 1/16th mile dragrace…or the 330 foot. Even then, by 330 feet, the strong cars have sorted traction out and are starting to tear through third gear. For example, my stock B7 RS4 330 foots in like 5.40…but fast cars are already done the 330 foot in 4.5-4.75 seconds…a full 7 tenths quicker. 7 tenths ahead of me, they’re going 80 mph. They’re already killing me. Again, if you’re beating that guy, he can’t drive or his tune sucks. Or both.
The more power you make the harder it is to hook it up. Plus I’m thinking the corvette and fit a larger tire in the back…
also some suspensions are going to be better suited for drag racing, at a certain point youre going to have to sacrifice the audi-ness to go faster, a la the satans child B5 and the I5T A5 shell
to investigate this comment, can a tial guy comment on what kind of boost he makes in 1st and 2nd? 1st and 2nd are pretty short, and I’m thinking the car may not load up much at all, may not make boost, may not put those turbos into their efficiecny range (sounds like they like a big pressure ratio), and so the car may not make much power in lower gears. 3rd is nice and tall, loads up the motor, spins the turbo up and the car starts moving.
so boost in 1st/2nd if anyone knows?
I guess I dont get the big deal about why people like to also run the 60-130 times… I think the biggest thing of all is the inconvience of going to the track. Going out on the road and grabbing 1 or 2 gears and going 60-130 is a fun easy thing to do. I realize that AZ should verify the times on the v-box, and I think that they will get better at that, but it is a fun thing to do and guage your car against some of the other cars out there. Its all in good fun. I love anything that consists of burning as much fossil fuel as possible via drag race, street race, and or 60-130,140,150,160 etc… 8)
Now to start another potential debate…
what do you guys think about the 1/4 mile accuracy on the v-box? Is it accurate in speed and time? I know that the dyno’s that to it are pretty accurate within a tenth or so but wondering if anyone has vboxed theie track times???
Good points. It’s all fun for sure. I don’t think there’s a real anti 60-130 rebellion or anti-dyno movement. Most people love seeing/comparing numbers for cars from all three (dyno, 60-130, ragstrip, whatever). The concern this thread was started about (and it seems a lot of other people in B5 S4 land are thinking the same way) is because of the 60-130 lovers who rail against the drasgstrip whenever possible, and try to discredit it. The reason for that is simple…those people or their cars suck at the dragstrip lol.
I think the dragstrip shines a light on how your car accelerates doing what you do every day a bunch of times…accelerate from a stop, and accelerate through the lower gears. We all like to accelerate our cars. Now, I don’t think many of us go from the speed limit to the redline in 4th gear too often so I don’t quite get the fascination with how cars do up there and up there only (60-130). It’s kinda weird. But stil, it’s fine to do as a test. Just gotta be careful.
As for pbox vs. dragstrip timing I bet they’re really close. My GTECH is pretty much spot on for time, but the MPH is not. It overestimates MPH. When I went 12.94 @ 107 it said 12.91 @ 109.7. Of course some people say the lane I was in at my track reads low mph, but I don’t really buy that.
I happen to have a PBOX as well…so I’ll bring it next time to compare. I know that on a private track, but not a dragstrip, I did a pbox quarter mile run and it was showing 12.9-13.0 @ 108 pretty much every time (on a flat surface) so I suspect it’s going to be pretty much bang on.
Strangely I get better 60 foot times on pavement than I do at the dragstrip.
Haha thats a good point saki:
60-130mph - usually done on a public road, illegal. Potential for big fine, 7 day suspension and confiscation of your car round these parts.
1/4 mile: 100% legal.
I did it once on my friend’s private airstrip. I didn’t have a PBOX, so was using the on board timer to measure, and ended up going a bit too far past the 130, but it only took something like 13.something seconds to go 60-138 for a ‘slow’ 420 hp RS4, so you can get it done quick but yeah…getting busted for that would suck on a public road. You’d be in the newspaper for sure.
Most of the times you can hook petter on good clean pavement or ass fault then at the track, guess better roads…
I also know a lot of self claimed good drivers out there and have a huge ego and shitty ability, and they get excitible and everything else that makes it hard to launch and run the 1/4 mile well! I can see how it is easier for sure to flex your hot rod ability on a 60-130 pull because it is EASY!
I understand the b5 soap opera superstars being 1/4 mile haters because they cannot drive, however it does give you a good idea how you would do in a roll race by doing a 60-130 time…
Speaking of which I want to rend the dragstrip this summer a few times it is a blast who is near Michigan???
S6atron!!!
Yeah buddy! I’d love to be able to come back for the rental this summer. We need to make it to waterfest and H2O this year
where in Michigan are you guys? I think we could get a pretty good group together for a dragstrip rental if it’s near Detroit
Milan costs a fortune
the other ghetto one without signs is cheap as chips. They give you timeslips, but no giant signs showing the times unfortunately…(or fortunately if you fuck up lol)
Location changes whether or not I’d consider coming. Wouldn’t want to drive more than a couple hours or so to do 1/4 runs, then again maybe I would lol.
Pshhh believe me it’s worth the drive if we can get a bunch of AR guys
Yeah, you are probably right lol. Especially a rented out track too… Lol
I am in Rochester, MI about 26 miles north of the D. I come up to Toronto a lot though for work, Magna is a big customer of ours, as well as a lot of other metal stampers. Where in Toronto do you live? Hunter
I’m just a bit west of Toronto. Sounds like you’re heading along Aurora Rd a lot.
I am all over from Windsor, Woodstock, Oakville, Toronto, Vaughn, Aurora, Berrie… I am all over in fact I may be heading up this week, or the week following. Hopefully my car will be done by the. I am having the driveshaft re balanced! We should meet up!