WOW...DSG problems poll on AZ

[theKB]

My fear is that if this happens Audi will not cover it due to mods even though there are known TSBs out for the issue. There was at least one thread over on Az where this had happened. Poster took the car in with stage 1 and was told he would have to pay to fix it. Haven’t heard from the poster in a while so don’t know what the final outcome was. Last I heard he had been told the same thing by AoA. I get the pay to play ideology and I have no problem paying for what I break, but if there is known issue that so far hasn’t been definitively determined to be caused by a tune, then it should be covered.

I agree 100% with this sentiment. If the issue is bad/common enough to issue a bulletin about it they should cover it without issue especially if the issue is presenting itself under the conditions of the TSB.

Only thing that will get things going is people complaining to the NHTSA at this point. That’s how the MKV DSG’s got the 10 year warranty.

[32spoke]

The poll was made after mentioning to someone looking for a used 2010 B8 DSG “the mech unit failure rate on the 2010’s is horrible, do your research”. Me and saxon got into it and he said the statement is ridiculous, so the poll was created to support or deny that claim. At the time I said it was 50% percent, to which this poll would indicate it is 30% of people at Audizine. I don’t really give 2 fucks about how “scientific” the sampling is, but the conclusion is you should not be surprised if you have a mech unit failure. These cars aren’t 8 years old, many of them are still under warranty and most, if not all, people who have had a mech unit replaced, had it done under warranty or good willed. The point isn’t to devalue anyone’s ride or talk shit on the trans, but to give some perspective when it comes time for Audi to man up and cover a recall (like they did for the transverse 7-spd).

The more important issue, which seems to have been missed by nearly everyone looking at the poll, is “did Audi redesign the DSG for the B8.5, and has the failure rate gone down”. I understand that that most B8’s will have more miles on them, but B8.5’s have been out since summer 2012 and I’d guess many people in that poll have at least 30k on the odometer, which is well into the “mech failure territory”.

So conclusion from that poll is, whatever Audi did during the re-design, whether it be gearing, software programming or physically changing the unit - they have reduced the failure rate.

Drob, i did my research, but just paraphrased it incorrectly. Here you go:

TSB Group 35 13 15 20304777/6 November 4,2013. Effects models. S4, S5 2010-2013 All vin Ranges with S-Tronic 7 speed transmission
also RS5,S6 ans S7 All vin ranges for model year 2013 S-Tronic 7 speed Transmission

condition-
the following message appears in the information display: “gearbox malfunction: you can continue driving”.
one or more of the following fault entries are stored in the TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE, J217:
DTC P17D8 torque limitation because of clutch temperature, with symptom code 8040
DTC P0726 RPM signal of engine control unit, implausible signal, with syptom code 7980
DTC174B valve 4 in the sub gear box…
ok, I’m tired of writing these but there are 10 friggin DTC for this error.
technical background- poor internal contact area on circuit board will lead to faults. Oil additives can cause the plastic circuit plates to delaminate.
production solution: improved circuit board for MECHATRONICS unit.
notice the model years- Since Audi is aware of this from 2010-2013- if effects B8 and B8.5.
my personal guess is that it may take a little time to rear up it’s ugly head. notice the various models of vehicles as well, not just the B8

next tsb

group 37 13 09 2028715/2 July 19, 2013.
models S4,S5,S6,S7, and RS5 from 2010-2014 all vin ranges with 0B5 DSG Transmissions
condition:
rough gear changes, both when accelerating and when slowing down
there is a rough driving power disruption that occurs sporadicallyand lasts for less than a second
technical background:
after mechatronics, torque converter, or complete gearbox replacement, the clutches must be adapted to the new component. This requires a gradual move of the clutch linings toward the optimal operating points in the most diverse load conditions. As a result, sporadic driver power disruptions lasting for less than a second or reduced shift comfort are possible over the first 500 miles. this is normal and these issues will decrease over time.
This issues can also occur if the adaption values of the gearbox were deleted.
solution- not applicable

next tsb
group 34 12 12 2032227/1 December 21,2012
models effected
S4 2012-2013 all vin ranges with 7 speed S-Tronic transmission
S5 Cabriolet 2012-2013 all vin ranges with 7 speed S-Tronic transmission

condition
gearbox warning light is on. The following fault is logged in the gearbox control unit: P174B-valve 4 in the sub-gearbox 1, electric complaint.
or
P174F valve 4 in the sub gearbox2, electric complaint
technical background:
the entry occurs mainly up to an ATF temperature at 30 degrees celcuis. check this in the extended environmental conditions of the diagnosis protocol. the early entry only occurs once and cannot be reproduced. after the reset there are no more complaints.
production solution: not applicable.
service:
update SVM software version management of TCM J217 using SVM action code as listed in the table below- no, I’m not putting them down.

Also, some of the TSB info wants the tech to evaluate the trans fluid and if it has that “light brown” color… then most likely damage has happened-and the TSB gives book time and part numbers of what hard parts to replace.

I dug this up on mitchell 05 ondemand

I’d say it’s known by Audi audi, not just forum members. I’ve read on this thread that perhaps driving style could be a factor. I’d say just driving it is a factor enough. Audi can’t point the finger at anything, but any software revision that could cause audi to avoid covering this costly repair could result from such modifications, reflash, etc. I chose a 6MT, and have my own set of issues, so nothing is perfect with transmission options I guess.

I didn’t find this under any VW models, but I didn’t spend much time looking either.
Hope this is slightly informative.
Jason-

[likewater]

Feeling the need to jump in on this and apologies if this particular issues has already been mentioned. Car is an 11 B8.

I have some hard down shifts occasionally when coming to a complete stop. Doesn’t matter if the car is in Auto or Manual mode (I usually drive in Manual - I just enjoy it more). When in Manual mode (Dynamic) if I haven’t down shifted on my own, it’s pretty jerky - sort of just slaps itself into gear. That problem (if it is one really) is not really annoying.

This next one however, is VERY annoying, and I have to mention that I do not remember it happening “before” my APR flash. In manual (Dynamic), in 2nd, I can take the car to redline (about 7K I guess it is) shift up to 3rd, still hard on the throttle - and them BAM, the car shifts almost immediately into 4th at about 5K or so. So fucking annoying >:(. Interestingly, if I slow down a bit and down shift back into 3rd, the car will run all the way to redline as it did in 2nd.

I should also mention that in these same settings, the 1st to 2nd shift does not exhibit this issue.

WTF!!!

[likewater]

^^^ anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Jspazz]

See the video of fonzies 1/4 mile run, it does this early 4th shift. Look at the AZ list I’m pretty sure it has a link to the video

[likewater]

Thanks. Yeah I see the info on that run but don’t see a vid. Maybe I missed it. In any case, if the car is short shifting like that and he still managed to run a 12.2 with Stg 1 on 93, my feeling is the car is doing fine.

[sakimano]

if the car is short shifting like that and he still managed to run a 12.2 with Stg 1 on 93, my feeling is the car is RUNNING AT PBIR.

FTFY

[likewater]

if the car is short shifting like that and he still managed to run a 12.2 with Stg 1 on 93, my feeling is the car is RUNNING AT PBIR.

FTFY

Thank you. Don’t know anything about PBIR but apparently it’s favorable to faster runs?

[sakimano]

very favourable. Doesn’t add up or make any sense.

[clochner]

Hmm - first I’ve heard of that as well (or at least that I can recall). I remember when Fonzie ran those times - seemed very impressive at the time.

[sakimano]

fastest stage 1 waqsn’t he?

fastest stock S4 ran there too…

fastest everything ran there.

Need some blown RS4s to get down there to pad our lead over the V6 crew

[primetime]

[quote=“sakimano,post:51,topic:5364”]
pump? maybe not positive… I didn’t run pump stage I, lol… 1fastscam and I both went 12.06 stage I, on race gas, me GT260 him MS109…

[likewater]

Data shows 93 - so pump. Maybe that’s a misprint and should be race gas?

[primetime]

Data shows 93 - so pump. Maybe that’s a misprint and should be race gas?

No, I believe Fonz and that he was on pump… I meant I’m not sure if anyone ran better on pump stage I… The vendorzine tracking doesn’t have all the times from everyone, heck I have 250+ passes myself… It does show well_armed or not_armed as running 12.20 stage I on pump…

[theKB]

Interesting discovery yesterday. I was under the impression that everything would have been reflashed the last time I had the mechatronics replaced… low and behold it wasn’t.

I was pulling out of my office complex and decided to launch the car. Car revved to 4500, I let go and it of course had the delay that was normally associated with the LC. I get to my destination and decide to check the cruise control stalk for program switching and it is there. So have been driving around for just over a year thinking I was on stock programming of course I can’t remember what program I left it in so I put it in 93 and drove it.

I am noticing 1-2 is somewhat rough although its always been like that since getting the new mech. unit. Sometimes its completely smooth, sometimes it drives like absolute crap.

I’m confused since the first time I had it replaced they reflashed everything and the software was gone. Also my vag coding was gone both times. Call me confused…