Wtf how many track days are u guys getting out of a set of tires?

You ever take a 60,000 mile all season tire and rotate it? You know how it makes all kinds of awful noise after you rotate it because the contact patch is sitting on rubber that has a gradient in the wrong direction? I don’t really think that improves handling.

I get my 50 heat cycles, my 5000 street miles, and my 1000 track miles. Then I get new tires. Usually something weird happens mid season like I get a nail in one tire and have to replace it. I don’t like patching track tires.

Lol I’ll assume you don’t know how to. We are not talking about rotating all season tires so the tread faces in the wrong direction. Not to mention the directionality only matters in the rain. Not to mention you can just rotate front/back on the same side and none of the direction matters.

If one tire is wedged from 3 degrees of camber and you rotate it back, you sort of sacrifice rear grip until it wears the other way.

uh yea, that’s the whole point…rotate the tires so you spread the wear more evenly. The front left will always get the most punishment. Makes zero sense not to rotate to increase tire longevity. Boro said he even flips and remounts the tires.

If a tire is truly wedged from 3 degrees of camber, you either drove too slow, or run too much camber, or drive too many street miles. I run -3, and I can say that at least for me and how I’m driving the car, it’s not enough (or I don’t have enough bump stiffness–which actually is going to be anyone’s problem with a streetable spring rate). The tire is still not wedged from the camber. In reality, rotating tires is not only going to get you more tire life, but get you better lap times, as the tires wear at different rates individually (pending the track).

I can say with 100% certainty that if I did not rotate (and I take this even furthre by dismounting and flipping my tires each side), I’d still only get 2 track days on 1 of the 4 tires due to how much it’s getting killed from cornering (this tire happens to be the driver side front or rear - they both wear rapidly. the rear from rotation, the front from throwing it into corners with softish suspension).

FWIW I do not know anyone at a competitive level who doesn’t rotate their tires :slight_smile: Guys who are serious and are in the top spots of their category always rotate. Not doing so will cost you huge on lap times.

It feels like rotating tires every 3000 miles is overkill, instead of just discarding every 6000 miles and rotating in a fresh set. Am I missing something?

Ya we aren’t talking about 3k miles. I am talking about like 70 miles! I rotate every track day…which ends up being 70-80 miles

I’ll consider it. So what’s your pattern? Front to back, then back to front?

I used to do the rearward cross between track weekends (often decided I was too tired to do it between days).

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tiretech/tire_rotation_abc.jpg

If nondirectional, I do as old sport says. Swap wheels with opposite corners. If directional i will rotate front to back, and also dismount them and flip them the other way to use the other half of the tire. For track and racing, directional tires will last the longest cause of the ability to flip. U can’t do that on an assymetric tread pattern–especially if the compound differs from the inside of the tire to the outside (as the pss and psc do)