034 has a new dyno...and it's a heartbreaker

Interesting results recently at the 034 dyno day in California. A bunch of cars dyno’d, ranging from older Audis to newer…small engines to 4.2 and 4.2 SC cars. The results? Pretty much impossible to find. Wonder why?

Because the dyno is a heartbreaker and everyone is burying the results.

We heard about the JHM stage 1 supercharged car that is making 6 psi of boost, non-intercooled. Why did we hear? Because JasonAMD the retard decided it was bad news for JHM and thought he would yell it out on all the forums for everyone to hear. But was it really bad news? Or do we need some context to better understand the numbers?

Let’s see…what do we know?

BenSTi dyno’d 328 whp with his 2.75" catless exhaust. This alone is interesting because a quick look at Ben’s signature on audizoo reveals 355WHP 298WTQ on stock tune/91Oct. It’s very interesting in fact, because Ben dyno’d those numbers at 034 motorsports as well. Any change since then? Same car, same engine, healthy, same modlist. BUT…034 got a new dyno. interesting to see that Ben hasn’t updated his dyno numbers in his forums signature. Guess he’s living in the past with the old 034 numbers :slight_smile:

Hmmm…so same setup as before, and now he dyno’d 328 whp as his best. So he dyno’d about 8.2% higher on the old 034 dyno. Pretty significant. Guess the new dyno is just a tough dyno. The old one was pretty much right in the middle of the range of what we saw from dynojets and mustang dynos properly calibrated. It was a Land-And-Sea. Of course everyone noticed this and made a point to explain this might be why some of the cars on the new dyno put up modest numbers, right?

Nope.

The JHM stage 1 SC car owned by Denis also dyno’d that day. Denis has a CATTED exhaust made by ebwerks. Same exhaust as Ben, but I believe Denis is catted and Ben is catless. As we know the cats can choke an NA RS4 of about 20 whp, so keep that in mind. The JHM stage 1 car was non-intercooled as well, so sitting stationary on a dyno pushing boosted air into the motor isn’t ideal for measuring power, but let’s humour ourselves. The JHM stage 1 car dyno’d 389 WHP. Definitely not awesome, but about 61 whp more than a catless full exhaust RS4.

If we apply that same ‘loss’ to what Ben lost from the old dyno to the new dyno, we see the JHM car’s 389 whp number turns into 421 WHP. If we knock the cats out, I wouldn’t be surprised to see 440 whp or so. Basically exactly what we’d expect from barely 6 psi, non0intercooled in a hot dyno room in California, sucking down dyno room air rather than free flowing air while the car is on the road going 100 mph.

There was an RS5 there that dyno’d 315 WHP I believe. Someone might confirm that. We have seen RS5s dyno around 340-350 whp stock at other shops pretty regularly. What does 315 whp turn into when you add 8.2%? 340 whp, not surprisingly.

So what’s the bottom line/moral of the story? The moral of the story is that the dyno doesn’t really help a consumer purchase a product…it’s a good tool for a tuner maybe, but for us? It will just paint a muddy picture. If those two Rs4s with a modest 61 whp difference were to line up at a dragstrip in the real worl in good conditions with good drivers Ben’s car would maybe run 12.5 @ 111 and the JHM stage 1 car would run 11.6-11.8 @ 117-118. This would mean about 7-9 car lengths between them at the finish line…and if they kept going that would turn into dozens of bus lengths. Much more interesting to me as a consumer.

what model dyno is it…also there’s a lot of operator input of course to consider…I’d really only ever consider it useful for getting a base tune down in a controlled environment and for parts that are easily/quickly swapped.

The new one is a Mustang.

The old one was a Land-And-Sea.

It’s hard for people to take a step back and look at the event though like you have.

Just another incident of Ben being a weasel and Jason@AMD trying to bash a kit that will be 10x as successful as the GMG/Aviva/AMD/UM/EPL/ (add anyone else here) kit.

If I was Denis I’d PM BenStlie, grab a go pro, meet up and show everyone what (only 61whp) looks like from 0-100 or 20-100…because we all know past 100mph the worse it will get. The results will not be very favorable for the hate camp.

I agree. Would love to see that.

Soon Ben will be supercharged apparently. He mentioned that in a thread.

Considering that

  1. Ben was at the dyno day
  2. Jason IMMEDIATELY was informed about the JHM stage 1 numbers and posted about them all over the place
  3. Ben is getting ‘supercharged very soon’

I think we can deduce that Ben is getting an AMD kit. Could be a reach…but it will be fun to watch. Hopefully AMD thinks he would be a great ambassador for the kit and are giving him a great deal. We should hide all of the Ben scam/fraud threads so AMD doesn’t get cold feet if they read them. AMD+BEN = Perfect match, really.

If ben really is getting an amd kit then it would really be bad for both ben and amd…at this point no one would be dumb enough to think the bashing and quick exchange of information was a fluke…knowing how both amd and ben have looked like fools in the past for making up things…there sounds like something fishy going on

Taking out the ben factor on the new 034 dyno what does a stock rs4 make and what does a semi modded rs4 with exhaust make…

we don’t have stock RS4 numbers yet. As I said, Rs5 was pretty modest.

Ben is a modified RS4 that made 328 whp (full 2.75" catless exhaust)

Look out for BenSTlie selling an RS4 manifold, BUYER BEWARE you may get a box of rocks.

haha nice one

Good write-up, Sak. Dyno numbers are essentially meaningless, and in the end it doesn’t even matter the exact number that the JHM car posted. We all know how it performs in the real world. So does Jason - and that’s why he doesn’t reference 1/4 mile numbers.

I will laugh if Ben winds up with the AMD charger. What better way to bolster your company’s poor reputation than hiring a fraud to advertise for you? :smiley:

This sounds like a thread a b5 guy would make. Lots of excuses. What did the car run in the 1/4 mile? Tell that dumb pussy to go to the track NOW or be a little bitch dyno queen.

Am I doing this right guys?

No, the B5 guys would cling to the dyno and avoid the dragstrip in perpetuity. Anyway, stop covering for twits and jason. It’s getting boring.

That particular RS4 JHM SC stage 1 customer from the dyno day is planning to hit the strip. Another stage 1 JHM customer already hit the strip with a similar modlist (exhaust, clutch/fw, 6psi stage 1 non-intercooled) and went 11.6 @ 118 MPH.

Generally we like to see people hit the strip to benchmark what a modification is worth. Once that has already been benchmarked multiple times, it’s less important to see what the 3rd or 4th car will do in that configuration…unless the owner of that 3rd or 4th car is running his or her mouth. In that case, they definitely need to hit the strip. Denis, the owner of the Rs4, is the opposite of a mouth runner. a.k.a. the opposite of you, twits, adam etc.

You can’t have it both ways. Just because one person runs a time doesn’t mean another will. You’ve been bitching about b5 guys saying that for years.

I can assure you, knowing Ben- he did a carbon clean the night before just to make sure to be as close as possible to the JHM supercharge, while Denis most likely did not- as he has nothing to prove. He is a good guy.

I can also very well bet you that Ben has a tune, and is not stock as he claims, and I also know he has an intake that produces PSI into the intake at speed. I paid for it, i told him to return them when he got fired, along with the exhaust, that i paid for(cost me $2400)…and you know where the exhaust is so…

but rather he yaps on forums how i screwed him and never paid him and he got nothing, that i’m a thief. LOL I have asked Ben the thief for the exhaust, intake back - countless times. Does that make him a thief ? It’s not his.

Corbett, you’re dead wrong. I want you to read this, and then apologize.

I said multiple stage 1 cars have run high 11s. Not ‘one’. “Once that has already been benchmarked multiple times, it’s less important to see what the 3rd or 4th car will do”
Dan’s car from California did it
The Daytona Grey car from Detroit did it
Marcus’ car from California did it

Not one car. Multiple cars, and we care less after the first couple have done it, with respect to benchmarking.
These are pretty straightforward cars running the same tune and simple bolt on mods. It’s not a B5 with twenty thousand variables and custom tune vs. OTS tune vs. no fuelling etc. etc. These cars are pretty simple.

The key is that Denis said absolutely nothing about his car. The only ones talking about his car? JasonAMD, TwitS4estate and BenSTi. Funny how that is.

So yes, I bitch when B5 guys say ‘My car is an 11 second car because so and so did it’. It has the potential but you need to actually run it to say your car IS an 11 second car. You can certainly say ‘that car ran high 11s with these mods, and I have the same mods, so I could probably match that with similar conditions and driving’. Of course you can say that. That’s what the point of the database is…for benchmarking and giving a comparison reference.

When they talk loads of trash and say 'your cars are all shit…mine is amazing and is an 11 second car and will crush you all (from 3000 miles away) ’ that’s when those guys get destroyed.

Good point. Not sure the intake would help much on the dyno, but certainly something to consider. Ben is really unravelling here. I seriously CAN’T WAIT to find out if he gets an AMD/AVIVA/AMVIVA/GMG supercharger. Going to be fun to watch. I particularly can’t wait to see him hit the dragstrip. If there’s one redeeming quality about Ben is that he’s not afraid to drive the car (although I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t hit the strip in 3 years)

He is not a good driver. He states on the forums he is into track driving/ canyons. Problem is, on the canyons he could not keep up with me- when i drove my smart car… funny when he drives he sticks his tongue out and twirls it and goes mmmm mmmm on every turn. lol. Okay i should be more mature. :smiley:

In short, he is not a good drive. He does not know how to heal and toe for that matter.

knowing how to drive the canyons is somewhat irrelevant in an acceleration test as his heel toe downshifting. Knowing how to accelerate is important.

I am not saying he’s a good driver (in any capacity)…I am just saying he apperas not be afraid of driving the car, so perhaps he will hit the strip.

With respect to him buying a supercharger, I am not sure how someone who steals a hundred bucks at a time can afford a $14,000 supercharger system.

He is back at his original “business” from what i have been told. Dumpster diving. He goes to hi-tech companies locally in the bay area- dives into their dumpster for thrown away hardware and resells on ebay. The hardware that is tossed away is because it is not within specification’s. The hardware cost xxx,xxx new. He sells them for xx,xxx not within specification/working order. Customer gets it. Not working. Ben is “o it must have been damaged during shipping” …talk about mail fraud. Like i said, he pissed off the wrong person,me. I just had to bring it to the attention of the DA.