True. What you actually said is that a car that makes 500 whp and runs a best time of 13 seconds is not a 13 second car. Well, in the world of drag racing, that’s exactly what it is until it runs quicker.
‘What if’ and ‘if only’ and ‘woulda should coulda’ doesn’t count in drag racing.
Here is what I said before you went off on a poll creating tangent.
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Newsflash, if a 500WHP car runs 13seconds, that driver sucked. His car is capable of a lot more. Its as simple as that.
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I guess I will have to quote you to show you what you actually said first
[quote]if someone with a 500WHP car posts a time of 13s, you guys actually think that’s a 13 sec car.
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Yes, yes we do. Everyone in drag racing does. If he posts an 11.50 later on, he’s an 11 second car.
Yes, yes we do. Everyone in drag racing does. If he posts an 11.50 later on, he’s an 11 second car.
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Well… and if said guy can never reproduce his famed 11.50, he is still a 11 sec car? LOLS… again, semantics.
What you can say is driver x achieved y time in said car on said race day. And that’s all you can say. To me that’s not an expression of how fast a car is mechanically.
JHM will never achieve my 5.7sec 60-130, And yes I do know they have a pbox. They wont do it, because, RS6 turbos cant achieve this time.
You need a car capable of probably 147MPH traps to achieve a 5.7 60-130 IMO.
Good stuff, way to go. Another newsflash: nobody really cares about beating your 60-130 time. JHM didn’t design an RS6r in order to beat your car. (To be honest, I bet they don’t even know your car exists!). They wanted a turbo that made a car very fast in all situations. They recognize that their customers often drive below 100 mph, and designed something that would be effective in almost all situations. That’s the beauty of the RS6 sized turbo. They wanted great spool, great low end, great top end. They achieved it. You wanted what…a title that nobody cares about? Congrats!
Throw down a 147 mph trap speed and they might notice you. You seem a little obsessed with seeking their approval, yes?
I only mentioned JHM because that’s who everyone loves on this site. Them achieving a 10sec 1/4 time does not concern me. I am not ignorant enough to think RS6-R’s make your S4 a 10s car like all you guys. I know better.
Who the f here is ignorant to think they can just bolt on some turbos (no matter who’s) and be able to run 10’s? We all know better
I think you just need to get your car running and hit the strip.
RS6r’s may never be able to achieve your 60-130 time, but in reality if you met one on the street and raced one from a dig (or a stoplight)…in from 0-130 it would put bus lengths on you…after that you may real him in, but it wouldn’t be as quick as your mind would like to imagine. Not to mention most sane people are going to shut down around 100mph, but you could always give the ricer flyby.
Well… and if said guy can never reproduce his famed 11.50, he is still a 11 sec car? LOLS… again, semantics.
What you can say is driver x achieved y time in said car on said race day. And that’s all you can say. To me that’s not an expression of how fast a car is mechanically.
JHM will never achieve my 5.7sec 60-130, And yes I do know they have a pbox. They wont do it, because, RS6 turbos cant achieve this time.
You need a car capable of probably 147MPH traps to achieve a 5.7 60-130 IMO.
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well using your logic on race gas your car should go 150-160 damn
From the 6speed thread:
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killer00S4, I read some of your build posts here and definitely, a great looking ride you have.
Only to address a few points and not to have any kind of rift, do I post the below. Please take this with a understanding that this isn’t mean to be combative but more so informative.
The day JHM cares about doing 60-130 tests and actually does this on a public road is the day the stop getting any support from me.
JHM doesn’t need a pbox nor do they have one. I do believe they have used one, but they don’t own one. This is what the track is for.
I might be alone on this one, but as an adult-kid I have had more then my fair share of spirited runs. Any test that you need to put yourself and the lives of others at risk isn’t something you’re going to find any company I know chasing. I’m not to say, I’m some guy above having a fun run on an open highway. The difference is I would be shutting the car down at about the same time this ridiculous 60-130 test starts.
Here are some high speed test success stories.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/21/article-2006369-0CA708FE00000578-802_634x471.jpg
http://ll-media.extratv.com/archive/images/news/0827hogan.jpg
http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/f430-scuderia-crash/scudcrash002.jpg
Al the above are high speed test runs gone wrong. I can post 50,000 more but frankly I don’t know the details of all the others.
I have always seriously questioned companies that thought these practises and advancing that there customer base attempt this, was and is in bad taste. Its bad enough the B5 S4 is 13years old and 90% of the kids don’t want to do simple maintenance on the car.
I’m going to guess that getting proper tires and making sure the car is able to handle these speeds on an open road is what most concerns the younger kids that don’t want to even spend money on fixing their 02 sensors.
With that being said. Congratulations if this test is your cup of tea. I don’t hold it in a bad light over you.
Hi Count; I agree with what you say. It is very dangerous to perform 60-130 on a public road.
However; you can run a Vbox at the track, and as much time as JHM spends at the track, I am a bit surprised they have not just done one for shits and giggles.
However; their followers explain its not their cup of tea.
And if you do a standard 1/4 run and turn on the Pbox it will automatically do your 60-130, and a bunch of other times along with that.
well using your logic on race gas your car should go 150-160 damn
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If the car is actually making 700-800WHP, it probably should do that time or at least get into the 150 range I would think.
We did know you can do that thanks, but it was nice of you to mention. However all of us agree its not a safe test and none of us want to indorse it. We know most of the general public isn’t going to do the test in a safe environment.
On a 2.7T-3.0T with less then 9500rpm no. Chances are you’re not going to best 12.0-11.6. The RPM area of power isn’t going to support enough acceleration till about the 1000ft mark. Its not about peak hp, but the formula on how you achieved the hp. The more boost you needed to achieve the big hp on the Dyno, the harder its going to be to get down the first part of the track.
I think its best I bow out of this debate, before I go, there are several good points in this and other threads. It might not be bad for you to consider the ability of a Dyno by its design,( is meant to help the Turbos get going more so then you see on the street), simply using load. When your car is under Dyno load it can and by design is much different then on the street.
Here is a quick example: Go out put your car in the 6th gear at 45mph then go WOT, your boost will come on much sooner then it would if you were in the appropriate gear. Makes for an artificially exciting power curve.
The above isn’t a post to say your car or any big hp car isn’t fast. It’s simply something to think about when looking at where you and several other big hp cars land when going to the track.
Yep. More load in higher gears… fun stuff. On the dyno I see .91 acceleration curves on the street is see 80, DYNO FATS is also different then the street.
I really don’t see why you couldn’t do 8500-9000RPM; my car hits 144MPH in 4th before fuel cut. I am sure I could hit 150 with a few more RPM.
For the claim of not being able to best 12sec, well see about that this summer. 
Count is saying your setup won’t Accelerate in the lower gears well enough to achieve the power not that you couldn’t rev it to avoid the shift. Though it is very unwise to rev our engine that hi and more productive to put in a taller ratio gearbox or rear end I’m not sure if you couldn’t get it to go there. Count has a lot more years than both of us comparing dyno to street but I also know these cars have 140s in them all day on E85 or some sort of racegas. I’d like to try E85 to get them spooling quicker, or maybe some N20… Saki did all of my accel stats from my vbox run and be was impressed with my 1st gear, though count once told me the 605s on a 3.0 would be better than the 770s every dyno I see and street log spools the two tials at the same RPM essentially. The car needs to be short shifted almost to really get moving… It will be an interesting strategy to get the best times. When I get my computer fixed I will do some logs and comparisons. Also I’m pretty sure hunter has done a few 60-130s they were low 8s if I recall… I will get back to you on that.
I understood what he said, analyzing the power curve on my car, it was surprising to see that when we overlaid K04’s at no point was a K04 car making more HP/TQ.
Just saw a dyno with big port top end 770, and it was not falling off power in the upper RPMS.
I can probably dig up K04/RS6/605/770 overlay on the same dyno.
tweetss4estate You’re out of control. Gearing isn’t the issue and there are about 50,000 things you guys are missing. Its not as black and white as your making it.
and mr tweets4estate
I don’t think there is a person on here that isn’t going to cheer for you guys to get great times. Still, you have to be somewhat realistic. It seems every B5 guy goes to the track and wonders what happens when they don’t run a great time. I know many people have said this, as I’ve pointed it out to a few guys. A 650whp supra and a 1000whp supra have the same 1/4 mile time. More hp and bigger Dyno numbers don’t equal a faster 1/4 time. You have a usable area under the curve, find the best area and hp for your goal. There isn’t an endless window.
let me attempt to bring a little weight behind my “be realistic” So I don’t come off as just a big babbler
A strong ko4 car on average is between 118-122 (average; see the 1/4 mile list) and they are at about 430-450whp
Both of you guys got a 128 mph. I know tweetss4estates didn’t actually do it, but we will give him his Pbox time 
and, both of your cars were in the 650whp range from what I can tell. So 200whp got you 10mph over a ko4 car. Now keep in mind after 125 things get extremely harder to go faster even by 1mph. From what I can gather you guys think that having 700 (only 50whp more) or even 800whp (150whp more) is somehow going to help you pick up 12mph? knowing that every mph is harder to gain then the last and also knowing what it really takes to get to a 130+ time (on more then one occasion cough cough)
Killer00s4. I’m not saying you can’t best 12s, I’m saying if you move further up in hp and you don’t move further up in rpm. “Chances are you’re not going to best 11.6” There is a formula. If you can catch the right dynamics then you better your chances. Hp is only one small part of the much bigger picture.
Way past my bed time boys. If I had 1/2 the energy my daughter has at 3:30 in the morning, I wouldn’t ever sleep. Just got her back down, so I’m out. Have fun be safe, keep excitement and drive for what you believe, It doesn’t always have to be right to be possible.
Good luck with the Dyno sheets and logs guys. You both have exceptional cars and its good to see lots of excitement for them.
Kurt that’s what I said, that the 605s were better with the 3.0L. I said better than the 770s meaning better as car as addressing the problem of coming into boost in the lower gears. I haven’t done 140, no, and you’re correct, I should say believe. With that said, if load in the gears are a problem, why wouldn’t taller gears help? Doesn’t that make sense?
As far as my silver car went, it was making just over 500whp when I did the Pbox, and it was loosing 30whp from 5200-6700 when I put it on the dyno two days after my run.
About hunters car, the 1 million hours we have spent talking we both agreed his tune needs to be super safe and move out up top. And the car is quick! It really is! But, with that known, and let it be known that you delayed spool by almost 400rpm to avoid low rpm torque, it still did well in the 1/4 with him driving it well (maybe a .2 faster in a better launch but overall good driving). That is why I am hopeful, my tial car came into boost before his did in the earlier gears, made more power and, in my opinion, will have low-mid 130s on pump and meth all day, just my opinion, but that is how I based it.
I know you have knowledge I will never begin to understand and thank you for letting me believe and make mistakes. It makes you a true friend and teacher. Thank you for helping my brother out so much, I wish you would let me repay you in some way, you are a wonderful person Kurt.
You know, Really? Maybe try you would like to believe.
I don’t think there is a person on here that isn’t going to cheer for you guys to get great times. Still, you have to be somewhat realistic. It seems every B5 guy goes to the track and wonders what happens when they don’t run a great time. I know many people have said this, as I’ve pointed it out to a few guys. A 650whp supra and a 1000whp supra have the same 1/4 mile time. More hp and bigger Dyno numbers don’t equal a faster 1/4 time. You have a usable area under the curve, find the best area and hp for your goal. There isn’t an endless window.
let me attempt to bring a little weight behind my “be realistic” So I don’t come off as just a big babbler
A strong ko4 car on average is between 118-122 (average; see the 1/4 mile list) and they are at about 430-450whp
Both of you guys got a 128 mph. I know tweetss4estates didn’t actually do it, but we will give him his Pbox time
and, both of your cars were in the 650whp range from what I can tell. So 200whp got you 10mph over a ko4 car. Now keep in mind after 125 things get extremely harder to go faster even by 1mph. From what I can gather you guys think that having 700 (only 50whp more) or even 800whp (150whp more) is somehow going to help you pick up 12mph? knowing that every mph is harder to gain then the last and also knowing what it really takes to get to a 130+ time (on more then one occasion cough cough)
Killer00s4. I’m not saying you can’t best 12s, I’m saying if you move further up in hp and you don’t move further up in rpm. “Chances are you’re not going to best 11.6” There is a formula. If you can catch the right dynamics then you better your chances. Hp is only one small part of the much bigger picture.
Way past my bed time boys. If I had 1/2 the energy my daughter has at 3:30 in the morning, I wouldn’t ever sleep. Just got her back down, so I’m out. Have fun be safe, keep excitement and drive for what you believe, It doesn’t always have to be right to be possible.
Good luck with the Dyno sheets and logs guys. You both have exceptional cars and its good to see lots of excitement for them.
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