sorry this was me getting things a little mixed up. I was thinking of there s5 that ran 11.9 @116.9. so please ignore that comment as it is not fair to compare the s5 against the rs4.
I feel I did come over a little to abrasive last night, for that I apologise. It had been a pretty long day and I probably shouldn’t have been posting in that frame of mind. So for that I apologise.
I am however going to leave all info until we have run a car. Any discussion up until that point it would seem is a little pointless as I agree with you that hard data needs to be submitted.
It is not our intention to run around claiming to be the champion, but from existing data we have regarding dyno plots and air flow readings ect it does seem to put the rotrex in good running for producing the goods on the drag strip. It is just unfortunate that it is this time of year meaning we have not been able to access the strip for the last few months.
Please stay with us and we will get data as soon as we possibly can.
Sakimano. I understand that other conversions have not lived up to the hype from what you are saying. So I understand your scepticism. Any supercharger conversion is a lot of money and if the gains arn’t there then the company needs hauling over the coals. I have always run an honourable company offering the best I can and if the product isn’t good enough I will not sell it. Remember we have shown our build from day one, we got caught out with Laminova cores and the conversion didn’t work so we started over, we made all this public.
My JHM clutch will be in by mid morning and then I have 3 days to bed it in. Then if its not snowing or a force 10 head wind i will be there. If the clutch holds I have half a chance of a good time.
So Sakimano do you have a supercharger on your car, what car is it and what kit?
sakimano has no fish in this game. HE has no supercharger he is a true enthusast like the rest of us. He just has seen the PES FAILBOAT and the VF fist fucking. THe TTs kit has the same formula as both of those failed kits did. Tons of video tons of dyno sheets and no backing at the strip. There are always a ton of excuses as to why no one runs
HEll even if you ran and got a 14sec pass we would have more respect for someone posting about it. Spinner ran 12sec back to back and then went to the track claiming he was going to run low 12s only to run the same 12.8
In the End the TTs kit is getting the same responce as the other kits. Not because people don’t think it can work its just this is the same old song and dance. Its hard to tell if this is smoke and mirrors or the real deal
In the end we can’t blame you for being good guys and its hard to blame or get mad at the general consesious of people here as we have seen the dyno and video game before.
The fact that you have a JHM clutch shows me that your more laget then most. If you ask me thats how I see it. generally the companys that put down REAL power look to other companys that put down REAL power to information share.
I guess for DeltaV and yourself. Its more like don’t get mad at us and the quetsions get real mad at PES And VF for making tihs a side show act where you can’t trust a dyno sheet and a video anymore.
watching your build and seeing what you guys have going on. YOur running too much boost and too good fuel to not do well. The combanation looks like it should show well. If you don’t do well at the track just make sure you post just as much as if you do. Even a bad time and a report about it will give more credit then no times at all. Just my .02
frankly, your kit is the first one that actually looks like it SHOULD do really well of those that have come to market. The first three were basically pointless IMHO
VF - too small of a blower (FAIL)
PES - too small of a blower (FAIL)
MTM - insane pricing makes it an unrealistic option
The next four appear to have some promise.
APR - nice kit, but small blower doesn’t take advantage of RS4’s forged internals. Still, kit works well and delivers on promises. Still the only 11 second RS4s in the world are APR supercharged (11.8 @ 116 and 11.8 @ 119)
TTS - hardware looks great; software is going to be interesting as MRC don’t seem to have much of a track record with the 4.2
JHM - hardware looks great; software looks great (most accomplished tuner in business)
AMD - hardware looks great; software is a question mark as EPL like MRC have had ‘success’ (sales) with the 2.7T world, but haven’t got much of a 4.2 tuning track record
The last three have the hardware choice nailed. All have large capacity superchargers that flow enough air to make power that can test the internals of the RS4 (all are potentially 700 hp cars).
My car is a 2008 RS4. I just bought it a couple of months ago so it has no supercharger on it. I want to see your kit and the JHM kit and the AMD kit on the market for a while before I supercharge my car. While there will always be people willing to buy without proof of performance, I’m a bit more patient when it comes to this stuff.
Everyone is excited about this kit, the JHM kit and the
That’s a great quote. Unfortunately the tuning companies tend to take it out on the forum members who demand more than fluff…and see it as a witch hunt or ‘hating’. Check out the B5 forums. They have seen more scams and tricks than any Audi platform…and the companies STILL get mad when people ask for more proof. This very forum has seen an influx of AMD customers here to defend the Tial B5 S4 kits and the AMD shop that builds most of them. They call the other members haters for wanting to see a quarter mile time that would indicate the kit is working well. I don’t get that.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing TTS’ kit develop. My prediction is that the hardware is great but as APR found, even good hardware doesn’t guarantee success if the tune is sub-standard (the first APR tune on their TVS1320 kit ran 12.6-12.7 @ 107-109. Barely faster than stock. Once CountVohn, a member of this site tuned it, the car went 11.8-12.0 @ 116-119. That’s all from the tune. Incredible.)
I can’t say I’ve been impressed by MRC’s ability to tune any 4.2 car, let alone one with a supercharger thrown in the mix. Their re-tune of the PES S5 kit produced zero acceleration gains vs. the regular PES tuned cars. This is understandable as they were all maxing out the blower so there wasn’t much upside. This kit has plenty.
In my mind, the only hurdle facing the TTS kit is the MRC tune. Hopefully they’re up to snuff. If not, CountVohn better keep his phone charged
Not blowing the MRC trumpet but from what I have seen so far I am impressed with the detail they go to on tuning the V8, they made big gains on the TTS by systematic changes. I feel we still have a little more to come but until we get this damn clutch situation nailed its not going back on the dyno. Has anyone else had a problem with the auto adjuster locking down on high power cars? I spoke with another Ford tuning shop today and they hd the same issue and had to junk the auto adjust!
Regarding the 1/4 mile
Sakimano I see you have a best of 12.9 with a stock car, but I see its an RS4 not an S5. I did a best of 13.65 stock. I did a 12.7 with a slipping clutch and forgetting to switch off my EDS etc so had a very very slow 60’ I think it was around 3 seconds. It was at the GTi show which was not a drag strip but it was well set up and had laser 0-60mph which gave me a 7.2 second with the big bog off the line and I know now I can halve that. SOOOOO I am very excited about doing the 1/4 and hope to put this to bed Here’s hoping for Sunday.
hahaha 0-60 in 7.2? nice! (don’t post that again lol)
Honestly you guys should do just fine. You guys know how to drive and shift gears. Don’t try to be a hero on the launch. Try to launch at a low RPM level like 2900-3100 and get a few solid times under your belt. Launching much higher will result in tons of spin and much lower will bog. A nice launch around 3000 will net you a 1.8 60 foot (at the least) with the amount of power you’re making. From there, a good 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 shift will have you posting a good trap speed.
It will be interesting to see what you can do vs. say the PES car that Spinner drove there. He had a bunch of good mods, a PES MP90 kit and an MRC re-tune. He ran 12.58 @ 112 as his best I believe. That’s really your local benchmark. You should crush that. The APR car that ran 11.9 @ 116 over here is a nice comparison point as well. That was very well driven (great launch and gear changes) but the 116.9 MPH trap speeds indicate what 425 whp on an S5 can do. That’s about 500 crank hp. You guys are around 480 whp based on your dyno, so you ought to be able to push through 120mph. Not sure about your ET as that will depend on the driving.
My advice would be to get 2-3 shakedown passes in where you don’t break the car, but just get some nice passes in. Then as the day goes on get after it a bit more with trying different launch techniques and shift RPMs.
Thanks for your advice, its a plan. Unfortunately it won’t happen this weekend. The clutch is in and it doesn’t even disengage. I won’t make any comments on this at the moment I am being very patient with the supplier!
regardless what you run with that kit, please post it up and dont be shy. we all here want to see the advancement of the 4.2 and could guide you to what migh tbe going wrong. even if it lays an egg, the hardware is good and we can all help advance it along. the tts kit is gorgeous, better be for the price, but the level of engineering in the kit is jaw dropping.
as for that race, the c63 crushed it. customer of mine has a tuned c63 with cat-back and gutted cats (yes we did piggy pipes on a c63 lol) and it cant hold a candle to my car. he just ordered headers which we will be installing in the coming weeks, once he gets those in, ill get some pulls for you all on video but they would have to work a miracle to make up that kind of difference. if that rs4 is making the power it claims, he should annihilate the benz. but also being french, they are known to give up easily so that wouldnt surprise me either lol
I didn’t get clarification but it looks like the Benz didn’t have a passenger. To that end, the RS4 had 120 lbs of avant weight (vs. an RS4 sedan’s weight for example) working against it + it looks like 175lbs of extra passenger weight. 300lbs is no joke.
I think you’re right though, I also think the RS4 should have done better. That’s why I’m a bit worried about the MRC tune on the TTS cars. When the hardware looks right but the car doesn’t seem to do what you expect it to (think APR SC when it first launched), it has to be the tune. Hopefully this was just a case of not really being a great driver in the RS4 which was already fighting a weight penalty…and it was up against a very stacked low 11 second C63.
FWIW… MHP powered C63 went 5.98 60-130 recently according to Andy at MHP… I know alot of folks don’t like them but I have known Andy for a long time and used to drag race Mustangs with him in the early 2000’s…
