It shouldn’t, but we’ll find out shortly. I’ll put it on track and see if it flaps like an airplane wing.
it did on my B6 and not even close to 100mph
Was it an Osir hood? You got Eurogear right? Price point is 3x with Osir. I expect them to get it perfect.
Getting worried. I think they outsource these to Hong Kong now.
doesn’t matter who makes the carbon hood, it is just reality CF hoods don’t weight much so they float on the stock audi latch.
+1
West, listen to littelredwagen.
CF hoods REQUIRE hood pins.
The skelton structure underneath does nothing else other than reduce hood flex and increase the longevity of the hood (some ultra light hoods begin stress cracking around the pins).
DO NOT compromise safety. This thing popping open on you at 100mph is going to cost you your entire car.
Not a single race car runs these without pins - and it will not pass any track side inspection if you do any competition.
Who makes the hood is of no importance. A CF hood requires hoodpins. Just like a helmet requires straps!
I have to agree with west on this one. If the hood is quality the latch should not be an issue. The last carbon hood I ran had a huge metal plate where the latch was. It would take quite a lot of force to have it fail. Think all the reports of failed hoods are from ricers that use cheap hoods. Any proof newer hoods are failing still without pins?
yes. mickf29 had his Vorsteiner fail.
He tried to lie to Vorsteiner and say it happened on the highway. Unfortunately for him he had already posted (then deleted) a video of it failing at a track day at 120 mph. Dummy.
Did $30,000 damage to his RS4. I don’t know who he scammed into paying it but someone got scammed. Funny those PNW guys and their insurance jobs to cover their own ineptitude.
Its no the latch it is the location, The latch isn’t designed to hold down a super light hood, the only thing that keeps the hood down is weight. If the hood had three latches then that is something different.
So you are comparing a hood on a car that was DESIGNED to have CF hood VS a car that was DESIGNED to have a steel hood?
The hood I ordered is vacuum bagged double sided carbon fiber - the same technique they use to build the 918 spyder body. It should be extremely strong. If the installer/body shop thinks it needs pins out of the gate, we’ll start there. If they don’t think it is necessary, we’ll put it on track and see if it flaps around.
The hood resuses all OEM latches and hardware.
http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Grand-Am-Test-at-IMS-1.jpg
Oh look, hood pins in racing. Who would have thought?
I don’t know why you think you’d pass tech inspection without them. Do you do any scca events? You are jeopardizing the safety of not just yourself, but others on track with you. It can cause big accidents and at worse, death. Why would you want even the possibility of the hood lifting on the back straight with people around you? You want to risk all of this just because of an opinion? Hood pins are required for competion. Just like helmetd are. For a guy with a cage, a helmet and proper tires and brakes (all safety items), why are a couple pins holding you back? It isn’t cost, that’s for sure. Shouldn’t be aesthetics either as aero latches look proper too… Not sure why this is even a discussion. For someone with as much seat time as you, you know these things. This isn’t your first rodeo
If it was a plastic $500 hood, sure 100% it needs the pins. You’re being overly dramatic. Tune and test. It will be completely evident when it arrives what is required. No one has seen the fucking part. A quick drive on the highway will show if it’s secure. Then a faster drive to the track. Then a few laps.
While it is fun to hear the Internet warn me of impending doom, I’ll just leave it to my installer (who goes to the track with me). His shop will set it up right.
This is about as hilarious as the time the lithium ion battery was supposed to blow my trunk like a car bomb. Or the concerned citizen who said the 235/35ZR19 tires were supposed to blowout in the braking zone. Or that time someone said Revo was going to nuke my motor (any day now).
hood pins are overrated west, you don’t need them. Make sure you don’t get any.
p.s. please do a live periscope with active mic in the interior when you first do a track day in your car
That’s a great approach and attitude. That one vent you have looks like a great design if it works great if not it cam certainly act as a good template
You guys are dense as fuck. Most people in racing wouldn’t take a 12 pound plastic and fiberglass hood and then connect 7 pounds of latch hardware to it. They use hood pins to save weight. Body parts on a racecar are built to be swapped in a pit stop in case there is light contact. I don’t have a requirement to replace my hood in 28.8 seconds, so I may not need the pins.
Don’t equate what I’m doing to a B7 modder on a budget. I looked through half a dozen of these hoods and they were all shit. First warning sign is when they are cheaper than OEM.
Maybe snap some pictures when the hood comes in and the mounting points for the latches. That right there might eliminate some of the issues right away. Everyone saying something right or wrong just wants to help you be safe. I don’t think anyone n that ever had a carbon fiber hood fail saw the hood flapping. I think it just came up without warning. There are some cheap asses out there that were just cheap but I know a few guys who spent top dollar on very well made CF hoods that had failures. The feedback they got was they were supposed to use hood pins.
Another good idea. You just bought the hood. Send them a quick email about what your looking to do and see what they suggest. That would be interesting to hear there thoughts. And if they say you don’t need pins well then there you go. It would be cool to hear what they do to help keep the hood built in such a way you don’t need pins and I think knowing the difference would help educate everyone
correct you don’t really see it flap per se but you can see the hood lift as air gets under it and can cause the threads to fail or pull out of the CF since they are just nutserts.