AMS Diving Into the Audi Aftermarket - Can't Wait

B8 S4
#181

[quote=“saxon,post:178,topic:5032”]

that has everything to do with market size. Are you an engineering student who doesn’t understand how the real world works? Making a 2900 lb 2wd econobox go fast is easier for a few reasons

  1. the market is 40 fold what the market for even the B8 S4 is so it’s saturated with options, and people have cleared the path and drawn you a map already
  2. the cars are cheap as chips, so people will push them to within an inch of their life, and if they blow up a motor, it’s a $500 trip to the wrecking yard to replace it, and $1000 in aftermarket internals to be back up and running. A new engine for a B8 S4 will cost you about the same as the entire econoshitboxes in the ricer world you’re used to were new.
  3. ricers run their cars in a form that most people on this forum would vomit at the thought of having to ride in. A loud, fart can, 4 cylinder, stripped out shitbox with a tinny plastic interior and the lumpiest most embarrassing idle is hardly what people buy $60,000 cars for.

So answer the questions…are you retarded enough to buy an EPL tune without seeing ANYTHING impressive from EPL EVER? That means you’re the only true fool on this forum. You got fooled and sucked in by a gimmick.

#182

so if apr/giac came out with a flashloader and started doing custom tuning you dont think that everyone here would be excited and say its the best thing since sliced bread?

#183

[quote=“primetime,post:180,topic:5032”]

my stock car put down 301whp on a mustang dyno and ran a 13.005 @ 107

what friend, the supercharged 4 cylinder? or epl tuned b5 s4? your pretty high on yourself for doing something that anyone with a charge card could accomplish in a weekend

#184

[quote=“sakimano,post:181,topic:5032”]

i said the engine made more power, didnt mention it was faster. of course a 2000lb car with more power is faster than a 4000lb car.

the way i see is is this: AMS has backed EPL, if they trust it on their car and are willing to resell it i trust AMS, i could care less who or how they get the tune because ultimately AMS is standing behind it.

this forum is a joke, i thought this was about innovation compared to AUdizine but if anything the people are so far up giac/apr’s ass that they dont think anyone or anything is better.

#185

But they wouldn’t. Derp.

Saxon. Put the argument aside. Get your car on the custom tune with the parts you want, and run it. This is all speculation and it’s making you look bad until you prove something.

#186

[quote=“sakimano,post:181,topic:5032”]

[quote=“saxon,post:178,topic:5032”]

[quote=“primetime,post:176,topic:5032”]

you’re ignorant, that word shouldn’t be used in that context. i see i am truely dealing with ignorance and nothing more :slight_smile: cant wait til AMS brings some performance to the table and then you will all say " there is no way they are doing that safely, they have altered code they shouldnt have and it will blow up"

just cant win :slight_smile:

#187

I don;t think so really. Guys here will think something is great if it works and makes them faster. This isn’t AZ.

I have asked you a few questions that you are avoiding

  1. what parts necessitate custom tuning in the B8 S4 world? You keep mentioning the headers, but APR had them on their in house cars and ditched them. They were in a frigging race series, so they ran a tune that is customized to the binary digit. Headers didn’t work. So…why should anyone covet a custom tune over an OTS tune (other than morons who get fooled by gimmicks)

  2. why should anyone trust EPL to tune their Audi when they haven’t shown jack shit to support the notion that they’re a succesful Audi tuner? The only people who say EPL is succesful are EPL, and people who have been fooled into paying EPL to tune.

  3. Do you have any involvement in the development of tune switching/flashloading product you keep lauding here in this thread? Or do you have any relationship with anyone who does?

#188

once some more informatoin comes out i will most likely go with the custom tune.

i build/modify cars for me an no one else so i could really care less what the APR groupies say :slight_smile: i just want real information out there for people who won’t show a bias and want performance and see what this chassis can do without a $10,000 supercharger

#189

You’re dancing again.

How many times did you take your B8 S4 to the strip?

#190

no i do not, i have a friend who was tuned using the same software on his b5 and it works great, but i have no vested interest in this product or company. to me its a solution i have been looking for since i joined the Audi camp. if anyone thinks that Audi is comparable in aftermarket to bmw or mercedes they better do some research

#191

ive owned the car for three months and ive taken it one time (other things in life were a bit more important such as moving, my pregnant wife, and a promotion)

now that things are settled down and the track is 30 minutes away i do plan on going quite a bit come spring time.

past history ran 11.5 in my evo, 12.0 in my sti , and 10.8’s in my old 500whp civic.

#192

It’s funny, but nobody you’re talking to is up anyone’s ass. I was actually banned from Audizine for destroying APR’s reputation in teh RS4 section after they completely lied to the forum and I called them out for it numerous times until they finally tapped out.

I have asked you to prove what you’re saying

  1. why would you buy EPL? Because AMS told you to ? AMS has said they hired EPL because they don’t have time to tune the Audis. In other words? They want to cash in on the low hanging fruit (B8 S4 owners who are willing to pay $1500 for a tune and $500 for a pulley) but they don’t want to waste time away from their $40,000-80,000 forced induction kits for supercars.

  2. what…on the B8 S4…requires custom tuning? AMS if you haven’t noticed is working on tune/pulley/catback/cooling. That’s it. There’s no fucking custom tuning needed there. This is not your EVO ECU. The capabilities of the Siemens and Bosch Audi ECUs are light years from the rice shit you’re used to. A good tuner can build in parameters to take advantage of, and protect the engine from the absence of, a wide variety of bolt ons. Custom tuning is for fools at this level.

I have asked you to justify your claims, and from the looks of it, you can’t so your recourse is to label me a hater, label me ‘up APR’s ass’ and label the forum a joke.

The reality? The forum is built on facts, and you have FUCK ALL in the way of facts. That is why you will now run away and disappear.

#193

E85 METH, E85 METH, E85 METH, E85 METH

HOW MANY MORE TIMES MUST I SAY THAT.

#194

Even E85…why do you need custom tuning for E85? GIAC already has an E85 tune. Why must it be tailored to your ‘x pipe’ lol. Its fucking E85. If they write an E85 file with parameters for a known fuel, why must it be customised for your basic boltons? Does your wicked ricer spoiler and shoddy bodykit necessitate it?

You’re just showing the forum how little you know.

As for meth, sure if you want to tune around meth. There’s a member here that runs a race gas file with 94+meth. He might beit from a file written for meth as a fuel source, but again, you were running your mouth about how there’s so much more on the table in custom tuning vs OTS tuning. You’ve still not shown that. Are you saying your whole premise that custom is better is when you’re talking about a different fuel source? This is why program switching exists. GIAC and APR offer that for the B8 S4 already. Flash loaders and pre-loaded multiple files. Why is this any different?

#195

Did AMS even announce that they planned to offer custom tuning?

#196

This is something that gets confused when people come from different platforms is the adaptability of these ECU’s. You don’t need to write super specific files like you would with other vehicles. Unless you are a poor tuner as was mentioned.

I didn’t see them say custom tuning. And I still don’t think they ever clarified that they were using EPL for anything more than their ability to remote flash. I’m assuming AMS does their own tuning. Maybe they will use a base file from EPL or something.

#197

[quote=“sakimano,post:192,topic:5032”]

you are the only fool to think that you can change cam timing automatically, the ecu runs in closed loop and can adjust timing and fuel so that the motor does not detonate, it however can not adjust cam timing to take advantage of modifications are more efficient than the stock pieces.

you are ignorant if you think the ecu can self tune, if it could then a flash wouldnt be needed in the first place :slight_smile:

#198

Nope. To parpaphrase what they said…

“we’re too busy charging Russians $100,000 to boost their Gallardos and GTRs to bother tuning the Audis, so we’ll bring in EPL to do that since EPL’s dyno is empty and they need money to finish updating their web page project that they started in 2010”

#199

who the fuck said it could self tune?

I said you can calibrate the ECU to take advantage of parts, and to hold the car back and protect it in the absence of those parts. The ECU is very elastic. Again, I realise you are completely out to lunch on these cars, and your history of ricer shitboxes shows that, but just take my word for it.

There are 5 tuners from various Audi companies who post on this site, and they would be happy to confirm what I’m talking about.

#200

ask them if the car can change cam timing on its own ? or is it locked into the files on the tune based upon whatever the software develop made.

fuel-check
ignition-check

but they can not change the cam timing through closed loop, cam timing has maps that are set in stone and correlate to load/rpm