Another APR TVSr1740 kit blowing an engine. Fried piston rings.

B6/7 S4/RS4
#12

[quote=“sakimano,post:6,topic:7383”]
Take a step back and realize that just because someone is “trained” on how to install the kit, doesn’t mean they know anything about troubleshooting… How much “training” do you think they really get?

This is exactly why it’s ironic…whether it’s a LWFW, clutch, rotor rings, it’s rained from the high heavens that the only possible reason it failed is installer error. Yet when there’s a vendor you have beef with, it’s the hardware 100% of the time…kinda convenient, no?

Allow me to illustrate what this thread sounds like to me, using pictures:

Michelin Tires wrecks another M3

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/BMW-M3-crash-1.jpg

Redline Water Wetter toasted another engine

http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Audi-R8-engine-fire.jpg

Mobil 1 Synthetic destroys another engine

http://blog.1aauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sludge_1.jpg

Carillo Rods destroy another motor

http://image.superchevy.com/f/71382330+w640+h640+q80+re0+cr1+st0/tbss-ls2-block-rod-bearing-failure.jpg

#13

Hahaha, who has beef?

I think APR is shady, but not before this last year!

I thought their kit and performance was awesome, we all congratulated APR…right here!

Then some of their kits had issues and no responsibility was taken…none. Their customer service sucks for the people who dropped $20k on one of their kits.

Look at it however you want, but all of these kits dropping is not a coincidence.
Hell even a shit show twin turbo kit hasn’t ate a motor yet.

#14

Just calling a spade a spade here…you know I’m right. :wink:

…and yes, that TT RS4 will probably shred its motor…I just hope it’s a rod out the side so I can buy the block.

#15

exactly…koolade seems to only remember the 5 posts per year he reads, and assumes everything else didn’t happen

let’s help him out…

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1520.0

#16

why do you keep saying that?

if you need an RS4 engine that has been grenaded, contact FlyingTomatoes on audizoo. He has purchased one or two over the last year, and may have produced a dead engine himself.

#17

[quote=“sakimano,post:15,topic:7383”]
Yup, help me out where you sht on APR’s 1320 since it’s release, then sht on the 1740 till they finally ran a pass you couldn’t refute… On top of that, you gave them a pretty smug hat’s off as well. Now it’s back to business as usual. Your thinly veiled agenda…never fails.

Every blown motor I’ve come across has been sent back as a core, is awaiting rebuild, or is outside the US. One of these days, I’ll get my hands on one.

#18

lol wut?

the APR 1320 kit was a fucking disaster. They sold 100 of them with a dyno sheet, but people were accelerating no faster than stock or barely modified RS4s. Why? Their tuner fucked up and the calibration sucked.

What’d they do then? They hired JHM’s tuner, and the cars ran great. At that point, all I did was support APR and the kit for making the changes and improvements. If you were to ever read RS246, you will see they called me an APR fanboy there for 3 years. Of course you’re clueless so you know none of this. Anyway, that was until APR acted like fucking morons and denied having outside help (despite it already being posted in Keith’s news release).

The 1740 kit did really well and they received loads of support all over the site. No idea what your agenda is, for that matter. I have none. I have a stock Rs4 with a used JHM exhaust. I like seeing the RS4 do well, noi matter the tuner. TTS did great and got support once they proved their concept. So did APR. So did JHM. So did GIAC on the B8 and they got loads of support. So did everyone who did it right. But not when it’s a douchebag car owner who is secretly compensated by the tuning company whose parts he is promoting (your boy ngng, or your new boy FT) or a company that is fucking up (APR, PES, whoever…even JHM who if you’ll recall everyone here slapped the shit out of online for horrendous service levels 4-5 years ago before they hired 8 new people to cover their workload better. Remember all of those ‘can’t get in touch with JHM…can’t make them take my money!’ threads? We all lambasted JHM, and I would do so publicly, as well as privately directly to Jason. Now they’re fantastic.).

Maybe if you get your head out of the clouds you’ll do some reading and be able to speak from an informed position. I think you’ve been sucking Corbett’s cock for too long and he’s started to ooze out of your keyboard.

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/tempFileForShare_2015-05-20-15-44-37_zps7liekeek.jpg

#19

You’re not very good at it then. Just subscribe to that APR1740 kit thread, and you can follow the owners of the 1740 cars and ask them for their engines shoudl something go wrong at 16 psi. It will probably take a while to fry the rings, but you might get lucky. As I said, ask your boy FT. He was buying up RS4 engines all over the eastern seaboard last year.

I asked why you keep dropping hints that you want a blown engine. You’re obviously dying for someone to ask you what your plan is, so go ahead. Otherwise, quit fishing.

#20

Regular service has been resumed, like clockwork :smiley:

I think it should be obvious that something here wasn’t how it should have been. A car eating a piston (and a half) on bank 1 in the first 80 miles after a SC install isn’t the norm for APR cars.

So whatever caused this is likely separate from any long term reliability concerns that may exist with these (and other) kits. Whether it was an existing (but hidden) issue with the car or incompetence on behalf of the installer is purely speculation.

Still, how many RS4 SC installs would we imagine a dealer in South Africa has under their belt? Long distance thing and people not reading the manual properly has my vote if we’re guessing.

#21

You’d be surprised…APR does very well down there. Gerrick Mouton (I think that’s right) was one of the first 1320 kit owners in teh world, and was the first 1740 kit who wasn’t an APR dealer. He has an Imola RS4 and has a youtube channel with 6 years of good supercharged Rs4 videos.

#22

[quote=“sakimano,post:18,topic:7383”]
Wait, I thought it was a disaster due to the blower, not the tune…so which is it??

[quote=“sakimano,post:18,topic:7383”]
My agenda is the platform…except I actually do something about it. You.Don’t. So go ahead and continue to pander toward the weak-minded. Anyone who knows anything, doesn’t listen to you anyways.

[quote=“sakimano,post:18,topic:7383”]
haha, you really do troll AZ, don’t you… I’ll high-five anyone who doesn’t put up with the bullsh*t drama. Besides, I’d rather be wrenching then reading, but you wouldn’t know anything about that :wink:

[quote=“sakimano,post:19,topic:7383”]
Then please show me a grenaded short block I can buy for less than the $4k core charge…

And no, no plan, no fishing…I just want one. If nobody knows I want one, and one pops up, I might never know about it…just planting mental seeds.

#23

Koolade you just supported Corbett??, one of the biggest fucking trolls around. His only objective is to bad mouth JHM because he has personal beef with their tuner.

But you are here telling us how inappropriate it is to bring up some of the past troubles we’ve seen with the kit. Make up your mind man.

#24

I’m not telling anyone to ignore past troubles…I’m erk’d at the propensity of folks to immediately blame the kit, when there’s obviously more at play here.

As for Corbett, I don’t know him, and don’t pay attention whatever drama is out there. Saki is attempting to bunch me in with him, just like he does with all the other people he doesn’t like.

#25

Also, everything I said in the AZ thread is relevant and i’m glad str8blst checked in because he isn’t even sure if the update solved his issues yet. If everyone listened to FT they would believe his issue was fixed months ago…and that is the problem with FT. He is a paid spokesman and could never be honest about the kit…truly honest. He not only has gained financially by way of APR, but he also can’t possibly look like an idiot after all of the competitor bashing he has done if he really had issues with his kit.

and the wrenching on your car comment is kind of a pathetic jab, I love working on my own cars and really enjoy it, but some people don’t have the patience, space, or just simply don’t care to do the stuff themselves…it really means nothing about their mechanical skill.

#26

you are blindly supporting his trolling…ignorance of his past isn’t a good excuse, maybe you should have just not commented at all.

Those were hardly vague claims…they are things that fucking happened…they aren’t lies or claims, they are facts.

#27

[quote=“euroswagr,post:25,topic:7383”]
That jab was meant for Saki…I’ve brought the same point up with him for years.

…but to expound, who would you rather listen to, the guy who read about it, or the guy who did it.

hahaha, this is exactly the kind of bullsh*t drama I’m talking about…because I posted this:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/651344-APR-TVS1740-B7-RS4-Supercharger-kit-reliability-discussion?p=10755441&viewfull=1#post10755441

I want no part of it.

#28

I’ve never seen him tell someone how to fix their car…but I’m with you on that comment.

I prefer to do like you, not talk. That isn’t very common though.

#29

This is true. Anyone can speculate about the motors but there does seem to be a link. And let’s also not forget that apr couldn’t get this tune to pass readiness and that some customers had to go to Jhm to get that fixed if they wanted to pass readiness.

#30

well you’re being vague and ambiguous. Nobody said the 1320 itself was a disaster. Just that it was undersized for the RS4. But they (APR) felt they had no choice since the 1650 and 1740 didn’t exist…and the 1900 wouldn’t fit without compromising the cooling . When AmVivGMG put the 1900 on that was nice, but we now know that their cooling is for shit and the car’s had to be held back considerably vs. the test car’s claims of 500 whp (owners have realised only about 450 whp)

Are you playing dumb for a reason? The only thing APR got beat up about was the horrid under-performance from the initial tuning, and then their lying and Stephen’s coverup about hiring JHM to help. Stephen has since been run out of the company for financial mismanagement ironically.

[quote]haha, you really do troll AZ, don’t you… I’ll high-five anyone who doesn’t put up with the bullsh*t drama. Besides, I’d rather be wrenching then reading, but you wouldn’t know anything about that :wink:
[/quote]
Again with this? I don’t do enough manual labour so I can’t talk about your ignorance? You already looked like a moron once by trying this to discredit me after I destroyed you in an argument and exposed you and your buddy ngng. Said I can’t comment because I don’t do any work on my car. Despite the fact that I in fact do regular maintenance on both of my cars (simple stuff, and nothing that requires me to go underneath it) I think I’d rather spend my time doing my own job and be happy paying a qualified person $100 an hr to do tedious, and in effect dangerous work (I don’t have a lift) on my car. I get that you make 1/4 of what a qualified shop charges since you work on the Geek Squad at bestbuy so paying a professional is something you can’t grasp, but try to see it from my point of view.

For all the wrenching you do, I’m still waiting for you to do something interesting with your RS4. Other than painting the wheels pink or running that awful ricer hood and pretending you’re a racecar driver. TheB5 A4 driving sycophants who tell you that your car is ‘sick’ appear to have gotten to your head.

#31

lol str8blast doesn’t even have his car…how long has it been gone? and that other guy with the emissions issue…he was without it for like 6 months until someone wrote him a tune that works.