http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/668869-GIAC-Stage-2-B8-S4-versus-APR-Stage-3-B8-S4
Ouch.
Just waiting for the ‘you’re just butt hurt’ gang to show up. Gonna be a fun night!
The best was Flyingbagofdildos.
Someone commented as a joke that Stage 3 won, he was trolling.
Flying ran to Instagram and said you still think it’s fail? #byefelecia
I commented back, yeah because that comment was a joke and I just walked the Stage 3 car 5 times over.
He hasn’t responded since.
I hope they take care of Richi. He’s a good guy- doesn’t deserve this.
Oh man what a joke that guy is.
Big congrats to richi way to show up. He had everything to loose in that race and it showed. You walked away from him very hard. This makes me think APR put the project to bed once they realized there wasnt any power to be had. If anything it looks like the car makes less power then your car. I know the race shows that but this would mean the APR stage 3 is actually a step backwards.
Karma to you and richi when he posts here again.
Now that the race is over what did you think the outcome was going to be before you raced.
and just because its AZ and some stuff gets lost when it is this kind of thing and for refrence here
GIAC Stage 2 B8 S4 versus APR Stage 3 B8 S4
So me and Richi met up tonight. We did 4-5 runs from different speeds and different gears. No matter what we tried the GIAC just pulled away hard every single time. It wasn’t even remotely close. Richi’s car has no codes, no CEL, runs smooth just not fast at all. I’m upset for Richi, he’s a really cool dude and was a real champ tonight.
Here’s the first of 4 videos I’m going to uploaded…
APR car is, Stage 3 with 1740 Kit, Production Pulley, Carbonio Intake, Milltek Catback, APR CPS, LW wheels and LW rotors.
GIAC car is, Stage 2, Roc Euro Intake, AWE Catback, APR CPS, LW wheels and LW rotors.
Both cars were on pump fuel, 93 octane, 1/4 tank. Both cars had 1 passenger. Driver + Passanger weight in GIAC car was 50lbs more.
We did 40 rolls, 60 rolls, 2nd gear, 3rd gear, 4th gear. No matter what we did the result never changed. Even when I gave him a full car jump I just walked away.
This run I gave him a 1 car jump. By 130 I was bus lengths ahead.
http://youtu.be/RI6VgmkHbxQ
GIAC car camera car
http://youtu.be/22wcY5jkUWU
Sucks for Richi…but man this is pretty funny.
I also love that FT got trolled hard, that is fucking great!
I have a question, maybe the APR tuned guys can help me out. Who wrote the original B8 tunes that did so well? Did the new guy they just brought in try to change stuff? Because as far as I see it the new DSG stuff was a flop, Primetime proved this. This new blower software looks like it has shit acceleration and the only way the actually made it accelerate was by stripping down the car, adding more boost, slicks and race gas. So what is going on here? did APR forget how to tune or did the competent guys move on, leaving an EVO tuner behind to create a standard of hailmary ricer passes and an E85 craze?
Good work Pete. I really thought it was going to be much much closer… wow.
Did you guys try at least once from a dig? Would be curious to see how close it is at slower speeds and when the GIAC car really starts to pull away.
I think Apr is just waiting for jhm to tune the stage 3 kit for someone and post it on the jhm server…which is also the Apr server.
After that the Apr tuned stage 3 kit should do just fine (if history is any indication).
When Apr couldn’t figure out the B8 S4 they were constantly calling someone who works at Ford for help. I was with him for a week3ns and the calls and text messages had to number in the double digits. All of which were answered with help. Despite paying him nothing, and despite him working for their competitors. I guess that’s what axle factories teach you lol.
Nice work guys, this pretty much negates everything Arin said in the thread about the warm weather and their 11.x run, and cooler weather DA’s blah blah.
Also… Too many threads on the same subject. Can’t they just be combined?
First off major thanks to Pete and Richi for doing this! Especially Richi for laying out the cash, hopefully Magnuson/ARP/RSW will do something to make this right…
Honestly, I thought Pete’s dad’s car would win given DSG vs manual but iI thought it would be close and the win would be do to the DSG vs manual but t’s apparent from these videos there’s more to it then that… Like I stated earlier I thought it was odd that Magnuson released this and not APR.
Pete, I know on vendorzine you mentioned some logs, any chance you could send them to me at mustanggtron@yahoo.com as I’d love to review… It’s not my data or car so if not I understand but I’d really like to see them…
I guess I should be thankful at this point that Magnuson still hasn’t shipped me a kit do to them “sorting through a few things before more kits go out”… Not sure I want the kit until I see more data and NOT, I repeat, NOT from EC or RSW or any of their paid shills… That’s one of the good tihngs with Richi he’s like me we love APR stuff but we report true results unlike these companies and some users…
Overall though, I’m sure GIAC is happy, but really it’s a blow for the platform moving forward.
Thanks again guys! +karma to you both!!!
Also it is fun being right. Our analysis of the way they released the kit was spot on.
Why did they release those hail Mary ricer passes on race gas and no interior and no exhaust and slicks and a non production pulley?
Because everything else fucking sucked. And they (Apr and magnusson) knew it.
From where I sit and based on crews reply Magnuson is stuck with a bunch of these and just said fuck it…we are selling them. They aren’t selling very well on the rs4 or r8 probably because there’s hardly any rs4s or r8s but also because we know of like 5 cars with the kit and none have gone smoothly.
The b8 3.0t was the last hope. Unfortunately a small V6 doesn’t seem to work driving a supercharger that GM is using on 6.2 litre V8 lol. That might have been a clue when the only oem application is an engine that is more than double the displacement.
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Str8blst - his car was randomly stalling and having trouble. Couldn’t pass readiness emissions.
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The original test car (customer from chicago) had its motor blown at least once and sources at Apr said more than once…and this was AFTER the kit was released for full retail release.
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Meem’s car blew the motor within a couple weeks of install…then when he dynod the car on the new full compression replacement engine it made only 450 whp (vs the 500+ claimed by apr)
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That guy in socal who lost compression after a few months and surmised the piston rings were fried.
Incidentally this is the EXACT reason JHM told me 3 years ago they would not run a high boost blower on the RS4. Unfortunately before they could post the sad results of their research for everyone, Apr released their stage 3 so jhm had to shut their mouths. If jhm said anything it would look like sour grapes so they just waited patiently. Now that the Apr kit is killing motors hopefully people understand now why jhm’s big power kits will have revised internals. -
Flyingbagofdildoes - got paid to sell the kit so who cares what he says, although we do know he bought a replacement engine and we do know his car created a bad smokeshow at a car show (out the exhaust not the tires) and it had to be trailered 300 miles home . We also know he ran 11.28@125 in - 2800 feet of da which would be 11.70@121 at 0 feet of DA. In line with Meem’s shit dyno results.
b7 or b8?
richi - This sucks, man. That’s a lot of money out of your pocket for really nothing in return. As prime said, hopefully Magnusson makes this right.
You and Pete hopefully just saved a lot of people tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. +karma to you both.
In my mind, this really points out that the kit was not ready for prime time (pun intended!!!). Which is what we all kind of assumed given the ridiculous product launch. To be fair, this was against one of the fastest B8 S4’s on the planet. Until the 1740 gets in the hands of someone like Primetime, who will run the car, log the car and work with the tuner…I’m not sold that there is no performance to be gained. Richi - maybe you can work with APR to help calibrate? Hopefully APR has the latitude to work on the tuning with Ron/Richi, and this doesn’t become a magnusson middle man situation. If so, then this kit is probably doomed.
It would be interesting to see if GIAC would tune a 1740 car??? Wonder if APR has any kind of exclusivity…but why couldn’t a customer take it to GIAC? That would definitively prove whether the 1740 has any room and why wouldn’t GIAC have incentive to tune it?? Would pretty much be a knock out punch as to who has better calibration expertise.
^^ I don’t know. It seems like perhaps the blower is just not a good fit for the B8. The way sak laid out JHM’s thought process with respect to the RS4 is pretty compelling.
I don’t see why they couldn’t or wouldn’t. At the end of the day they would simply need access to car with this blower on it. I mean how could APR stop them from providing a tune?
B8 S4 3.0t
Remember the tune that made nobody any faster? That one.
Funny stuff
With respect to the fastest b8 s4 on the planet, that may be. However the 7th fastest dsg b8 s4 is within 1.5 tenths of ‘one of the fastest’. Put the right mods on a b8 s4 and they are amazingly fast. It’s not exclusive to Auditude3.0T.
Auditude3.0T went 11.56. Let’s pretend he is an 11.3 car for fun. And let’s pretend he was on race gas last night.
Ok?
He won by 8 or 10 cars lengths in a roll race. That’s about 4-5 car lengths in a 1/4 mile run.
That’s about 4-5 tenths since the car is going 150 feet per second and is 15 feet long.
So if we pretend Auditude3.0T is an 11.3 car and we pretend he is on race gas to make Apr, Magnuson, and richi’s feel better…that means richi’s car is around an 11.7-11.8 car on pump gas.
In other words about 1 tenth faster r than the fastest 5 b8 s4s on pump gas.
That’s fucking horrendous and STILL won’t make anyone feel better.