lol nice one will, thanks for digging those up. The 2 parties who matter were APR and Magnuson
APR were surprisingly silent on the matter consider their logo is emblazoned on the kit.
Magnuson were straight forward, and called this the official launch of the kit.
Now you are just trying to twist my words, please stop. I not here to defend Magnusson, but I, and many others, clearly read something different that you about the “release” of the Stage 3 tune.
Call it “retroactive beta” if you like; I am just curious if they can make it work.
The reason you caught flack is because you stood up for Magnuson /apr/whoever it is and defended them despite either
A) their gross incompetence (releasing a kit without doing any acceleration testing and just hoping it works)
Or
B) their wilful deceit of the customer base, selling a product they know to be shit
In your words at least they tried. You pat someone on the back for trying only when they release something great or when they abandon something that doesn’t work. Not when they release something that doesn’t work.
I think we are seeing why Apr washed their hands of it. They’re providing the tune and prepping their own reworked version of the kit (pulley etc) because they recognized early on this was a flop.
Magnuson on the other hand is into Eaton for a very large order of these TVSr1740 blowers and they’re too expensive for doorsteps and too ugly for flowerpots, so they’re shoving this kit out through a group of retarded dealers who are screwing their customers over.
All around its awesome to watch but sad for richi et al. With that being said you can’t say we haven’t warned him for literally 7 years not to be sold on a dyno or to jump on shit like this so I don’t feel too bad for him. (rs4 tunes, rs4 exhausts, B8 s4 eurocode headers and now this). I have the feeling he has a money tree though so again, we won’t feel too bad for him.
LOL! I guess I should have read this before I replied to the other thread but I think I agree with what you are saying in terms of how this is played out…
I didn’t defend them. Your reading comprehension has failed you, yet again.
I’ll repeat: I said the Stage 3 Retail kit hasn’t been released yet, it is still in beta. You were wrong, just be a man and own up to it. It’s not that big of a deal, I think we’ve all made mistakes before. You can throw out your ad hominem attacks and use all the conversational terrorism you want, but at the end of the day you were WRONG about the beta, own up to it!
Both Magnuson and Richi both have said, publicly, that 1) Richi knew it was a beta and 2) that he didn’t pay Retail nor the Introductory price. So, yet again, you are arguing from a false presupposition (I’m sensing a pattern with you). I feel bad for Richi too, but at the end of the day he’s beta testing a product. I’m not saying it’s a good situation nor am I defending anyone: it simple is a beta.
ad hominem attacks? because I’m quoting you?
lol
Here’s what you said
That’s an ‘everyone gets a ribbon’ attitude, and it helps nobody. Sure it’s great they’re trying…but reality is that if you try, and fail, you try again and make it work. If that fails, you kill the product and move on.
You don’t release it, and start launch threads, and sell the kit to a dozen people before shutting it down because the public told you ‘by the way…that doesn’t work’.
That’s not how business works. It would be like GM releasing a car that crashed instantly when you drove it, and then congratulating them for trying, even though thousands of customers had their cars crash immediately. Don’t you think we would expect GM to test the frigging thing first?
I’m not sure what price has to do with anything, but for the record, none of that was said before Auditude raped richi in 12 different roll races. That’s when the ‘richi paid beta’ and ‘it’s still early’ talk came up. Not before it.
Maybe you aren’t paying attention?
Saying Magnuson is trying to bring something to market is defending them? Wow, now you really are grasping at straws. golf clap
The reason price plays into the equation is that Richi purchased a Beta. The thing you said didn’t exist. So, I’m showing that your base argument is incorrect, thus all the other arguments you’ve build on that false hood are also false and/or don’t hold much water.
Perhaps, YOU should go do some reading before touting things as fact. Again, you are wrong (I know you will never admit it, but it is fun, hu?). All the initial posts about Stage 3 were for pre-orders. I know you want to argue what-ifs and what-might-have-been. But, as far as I know, know one has a retail kit on their car. Am I wrong?
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Lamprey, I’m curious on the above… Realistically, what do you see changing before the kit is “retail”? Blower? Intercoolers/casting? TB/Intake? There really isn’t much to it… Maybe a requirement of a hpfp?
The launch was a train wreck.
I’ll call it a launch since (as will13k7 noted), that the vendors were all touting it as a ‘launch’ (apart from RSW) - for quite a while back with Eurocode, and more recently, Eurotek. It was generally ‘buy this now - introductory pricing!’
Magnuson mishandled the ‘launch’. Poor communication. Poor ‘announcement’. And also, poor vendor/reseller control. ‘Leaks’ from Eurocode and Eurotek generated a lot of ‘fluff’ ‘buzz’ (since there wasn’t really much to go off of). APR finally released the 1/4 mile test of it a week later (albeit with stripped interior).
Very different from when (just) APR launches a product. Pretty graphs, some testing shared (other than dynos), communication - and then the various vendors creating posts about ‘product just launched’.
That and there doesn’t seem to be all too much interest either. Short threads on AZ on the stage III launch. I think the original stage I and stage II release/announcement threads were far longer. Consumer confusion? Dealer confusion? Performance results? All of the above?
Also, I feel like this thread is teetering on candidate for War Room material.
If Richi paid $5000 for something that doesn’t work, does that make it ok? lol
If they advertised it with a release thread, and dyno numbers, and retail pricing (requiring PRE PAYMENT which a bunch of people did right away) , even though it doesn’t work, is that ok?
but…‘at least they tried’ right?
Maybe you’re just different.
As for me being wrong, what am I wrong about again? Will posted the quotes. They all started release threads. Zero out of everyone said ‘this is a beta release’. Zero said ‘this is not ready for production’. Zero said ‘there may be problems we are still working out so be patient’.
They released the kit, took $9000 from a bunch of people, and everything was going along nicely until an audirevolution member decided to question things…and then raced a stage 3 car and killed it. Same thing happened in California. Both stage 3 owners said their cars pulled like freight trains etc. before they got crushed by stage 2 cars. Both were sold a dyno sheet, and both have since gone radio silence while magnusson starts over.
But hey…at least magnusson tried (to fleece hundreds of people out of their $9,000)
Saki just to set few things clear… its not that i have a money tree but i enjoy beta testing shit, im not butt hurt over anything.
when i got the call about the blower, it was made explicitly clear to me that it was a test unit, again something i was fine with.
and its not that ive been radio silent, i have just had no updates for anyone as my car is in the same condition it was when i met up with pete and tsivas. this was all talked about before we did any pulls about it being a test unit.
and as pete can atest, the car pulls hard in the low gears for a short time before it starts dumping boost and fuel a little higher in the RPM’s
I have nothing to hide with any of this, i didnt sign any kind of NDA and am happy to expose both the bad and the good
Richi, I saw your message back I am just glad it wasn’t the HRE’s… I almost cried when I saw that this morning… I thought man is he handling that good! My 4 year old son reminds my wife everytime they leave the house to be careful around daddy’s cars… lol
Honestly, not sure if that is or isn’t true, interesting theroy though… Just imagine if someone wrote a tune for 19% more overdrive of the blower and not just 9.5% that the blower pulley alone gives you… Wonder what that might do, geesh if only someone would do that ;D
Good to hear from you. Maybe you just hate money then 
Nobody said you were hiding. The reason I said you guys were radio silent is simple…you have no fix. It wasn’t ‘oh it just needs to be bled’. There’s more going on here that’s making your car unimpressive. IT’s because the kit isn’t remotely ready.
Why’d the rush the release threads? Why’d they rush the order taking? Why’d they do testing in the dead of summer?
Simple.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=3699.new#new
Im still being told it needs to be bled. the lack of me doing something about it is in the hands of someone else which is a separate issue im willing to go into on PM only.
whether true or not, im being told the red car pulls the way its supposed to now…
actually they didn’t…the 1/4 mile info was for a version of this kit that doesn’t even exist yet. For the record
different pulley
different tune
no front seat
no back seats
no trunk lining or anything
tiny race wheels
drag slick tires
no catback exhaust
What APR released was an attempted hype machine to save the kit. My theory on why that is is in the thread I just created.
I agree, the bullshit between lamprey and I is just semantics about how people said stuff etc. and if someone (clochner, beemercer) wants to take it to the war room, please do.
I feel so bad. I got home from a company event last night around 11 and she was just sitting on the couch crying thinking I would be furious. Then proceeded to explain to her that’s why I didn’t go with the nice expensive rs7(real) wheels and got her the CZ of wheels instead lol
Exactly. I fleshed this out in the other thread. I think this is also why the only 1/4 mile testing they did was in the dead summer heat. They had no choice. They had richi in a manual car (never a good option), the california guy in a DSG who doesn’t seem to know how to race and oh…he’s in california, and a couple of other cars. In the dead of summer, after jones dropped the mic.
Magnusson - Shit jones is eating our lunch. What do we do?
APR - Well, we rush out a 1/4 mile pass with the kit. Let’s see what we can do.
(time passes)
OK…it ran 11.6 @ 118. Disaster. We’ll get laughed off the forums.
Magnusson - NOW WHAT!!!
APR - How about we pull the seats, pull the catback, run a tiny pulley, run a juiced tune, see what happens?
(time passes) Hmmm…we ran 11.3 @ 120. Still shit. We’re not even trapping what jones did.
Magnusson - NOW WHAT!!!
APR - Ok fuck it. We’ll put drag slicks and tiny lw race wheels on.
(time passes)
OK. We ran 11.1 @ 121. Still shit, but at least ET is coming along. We’re pretty sure 99% of S4 owners are too dumb to figure us out here.
Magnusson - GOOD ENOUGH…PRINT IT!
Nah, you handled it good bud! I would have lost it so don’t feel bad… Can she drive stick? If not don’t teach her… lol