Yes, that’s correct… Still won’t sell me one… I’m moving on for now, next spring will see where things are at… Hopefully, it will be available for sale then and the issues resolved…
Technically, it’s not for sale, well the production kit anyway. You have to pay to beta test, although I don’t know what that price is. It seems that one would get a discount and therefor, maybe, beta testing would be worth it if they can work out the issues if the price was discounted enough.
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It’s not available for everyone to “beta test” either… The beta version is supposed to be $8,950, and as I’ve stated a few times now, I’ve offered to pay that numerous times to Magnuson. APR recommended me to Magnuson and was kind enough to put me in contact with the Director, European Performance from Magnuson and I’ve been told I’d get a kit “as soon as possible”, “getting a unit out to you asap”, and “as soon as I can get a unit out to you” since Sept 10th now with numerous requests by myself and HS Tuning. Trust me this thing is not on my car for lack of trying or desire, quite the opposite and APR/HS tuning could attest to that…
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I don’t doubt that you have been trying to get one. I was pointing out to D.P. that it’s not generally available to just buy since it hasn’t been officially released yet.
Also, is $8,950 the beta price? I thought that was the retail kit intro price and that the beta people paid less?
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$8,950 is what I was quoted I have no idea what the true “beta testers” paid… Richi could answer that but that’s his information to share and honestly I didn’t ask him so I really don’t know what he or others paid? My guess would be the shops paid less but the end customers paid the $8,950 with the expectation that they would actually test the kits not just install them and hope for the best as appears to have happened, outside of Richi. Remember there are NO direct sales as they needed these shops to make sure they were installed correctly and running right! lol
Let’s call a spade a spade. It wasn’t in ‘beta testing’.
At no point anywhere did anyone tell us that this was a beta kit. Because it wasn’t.
-APR installed it and did initial testing over the past 3 years
-Then Eurocode and couple of other companies installed it and tested on customer cars (this was beta testing, and this went on over the last 6 months)
-they then launched it full public release a couple of weeks ago.
Not beta.
When some customers were smart enough to do acceleration testing on this acceleration mod, it showed that it was a dud. Another couple of guys out west did some races and a stage 2 car raped a stage 3 car again.
Anyone know if Arin at APR still has this kit on his car? Would be interesting to see how his car is doing.
Would also be interesting to ask about APR’s claims that in 3 years, they never, ever did 1/4 mile testing on the stage 3 kit. They claimed the only testing was the 4200 feet of DA testing (it was 2900, minor detail). I think we all can say that is definitely a load of shit.
Is the $8950 the price of just the kit or installed?
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kit only… installs easy though… bleeding the system is well depending on who you talk to… rocket science…
Granted the “soft launch” was a disaster but, the maker of the kit says it’s in beta and you can’t buy one yet. So if you choose to call it a production release, then I’m not going to stop you.
This isn’t directed at you, but I just don’t get all the hate that these types of products get. Maybe it’ll never work. But, at least Magnuson is trying to bring something new to market for us. Maybe the hate is related/directed to APR? Obviously, people like Auditude2.0 have an axe to grind APR and they are welcome to grind it, but they just look silly and petty to me. Now, had you purchased this kit at full retail a couple weeks ago and had the performance the Richi had, then I could see being pretty pissed. I guess time will tell.
The kit was not launched as a beta product. PERIOD.
What axe does Auditude have to grind with APR?
I guess APR/Arin wouldn’t post his times for his 1/4 mile run or something: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/668200-APR-Marketing-Tactics-and-why-their-Stage-3-1740-Kit-is-fail
Lamprey, I think it’s divided into 4 camps:
1.) those who don’t care and want to believe it’s faster because it’s called stage III.
2.) those who don’t care and believe it’s not worth $10K unless it will achieve an 11.1@125 (APR understood this camp lol)
3.) those who know that it was tested extensively as everyone here has mentioned, and while it may have shown the dyno numbers, it couldn’t prove itself on the strip. And possibly blew motors whenever tuned for any sort of power. There is a strong basis for this thinking, and a strong need to tell others to beware.
These people were also justified in their thinking when looking at the APR results, Roll results, and/or logs. In a nutshell, it’s pulleyed and tuned pretty similar to stage II with ridiculously conservative temperature protection. I don’t think I’ve let out any secrets there.
4.) the other informed people who know everything camp 3 knows, but believe they can/will make the blower work.
I am in camp 4, but I don’t think this is a general consumption product and it may take some interesting cooling solutions (beyond relocating the reservoir lol) to get it going. I would be asking jones a LOT about his meth setup if I was buying stage III, and consider that route, just as insurance during the initial versions of the tune.
I fully agree with that. I don’t know that I’d purchase it myself. But, I’m always happy to see new products that push the envelope further; granted this product hasn’t done that yet. But I, like you, think that the kinks can be worked out. I guess I’ll just pop some more popcorn and see how this plays out.
Are you kidding me?
show me anywhere that someone said it was a soft release before all the troubles happened. Or a beta release. Choose your nomenclature.
The hate they get is twofold
Option 1. the incompetence option.
They released a kit that is isn’t working. You should thoroughly test something like this before releasing it. Measuring dyno performance when you are also the guy controlling the dyno doesn’t count and overall is a joke. How about actual acceleration? Isn’t that what we’re buying? An acceleration producer? A power adder? If everyone is suggesting they haven’t done this, are they just incompetent and didn’t know their acceleration producer didn’t produce acceleration?
Option 2. the no integrity option.
This option is that they aren’t incompetent, and knew it sucked…and then they pretended it was great, and released it anyway. Only to then hide with their tails between their legs when shown that it’s broken, and switch spin tactics to the ‘beta testing’ bullshit.
As for the ‘at least they tried’, how about I release a pill that will make you ultra intelligent, and will fight cancer? Only $9,000. Then you test it and find out that it was actually a pez tablet, and I was full of shit. Are you going to pat me on the back and protect me from everyone and say ‘At least he was trying’? If I was incompetent, or had no integrity, are you really going to stand by me and support me?
???
p.s. lampreys suck. Saw one hanging off a salmon the other day. Poor salmon.
Jesus Christ! I don’t give a shit! I was merely pointing out to someone else that you can’t buy the retail kit right now.
If you want to be angry that’s your prerogative. Life’s too short for me to get angry about this kind of stuff.
The real evidence to me that they knew they weren’t going to produce more power is that they didn’t do the upgraded fuel pump.
Injection times right now on stage II can get to 5.5-6 ms…and at 7200 rpm, we are looking at 8.3 ms/revolution. Unless the injectors are overlapping well into the intake stroke and power stroke, I can’t see how they would get much more fuel in there.
Unless they knew they didn’t need more fuel.
Life is too short… Yet hear you are saying absolutely nothing.
It’s in beta now? No shit sherlock. It’s retroactive beta. Are you not reading anything? It was fully released and then a disaster hit (richi and the other guy in Cali getting crushed by stage 2).
Then you say you don’t get the hate…but later admit you’d be pretty pissed if you paid the money for something that didn’t work? And you can’t figure the disdain the market has for these companies?
Get a firm opinion already.
Answer these please lamprey.
Are you kidding? It was a beta release. But Magnuson required no testing or feedback on the product.
Only on the customers.
I’m hoping APR will fix it. Would be kinda sweet if they opened it up to other tuners, maybe GIAC or some axle assembly guy.
What’s stopping one of the current customers from getting a proper tune…Magnuson? How many kits are released at this point? Maybe they sold the initial run and made enough to pay back their OEM supplier?
If that’s true, I’d be surprised if you see APR in the castings on the next lot. Magnuson could make them the scapegoat for the awful initial market release. And APR could walk away having left the tune in a mild state, such that no motors were harmed by them.
RSW was the only one to mention beta:
“Although not officially released yet, we have already installed two of these systems.”
“…when it comes to beta testing manufacturers have to ensure that the product is in the hands of the most qualified installers”
While Magnuson gave us an update saying stay tuned:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/667061-Magnuson-APR-V6-TVS1740-Supercharger-Update
“Stay tuned for more information and the official release date from Magnuson!”
While EuroCode said nothing about beta, pre-release:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/667099-APR-Magnuson-B8-B8-5-S4-S5-Stage-3-hits-478WHP-on-CA-91-octane!!!-Sale-is-on-8950!!!
“By now, most of you have seen the release thread by Magnuson Superchargers for the 3.0T Chassis.”
as well as EuroTek:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/667065-APR-Magnuson-Stage-3-KIT-is-HERE!!!-Intro-price-of-8950
“You’ve all heard about it, and its here!!! APR / Magnuson Stage 3 Supercharger kit.”