APR Presents the World Premiere of the Eaton TVS1740 Supercharger

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#41

I’m going to keep that one close to my chest for the moment, but I will post a smiley face. ; )

I don’t’ know what that means.
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Just a couple more thoughts, and a repost of the “weight” question…don’t want to let that one go…

The answer about the TB…lol…I’m willing to bet it’s going up to 90mm, with a separate transition for the stock TB, and a later option of a APR 90mm TB. I just can’t see you guys getting a casting made with a 70mm TB that will have to possibly support 500 whp.

And you know I was fishing about injectors in the other thread. Like I said, with stage II, at 6-7 ms injection duration in the midrange is a LOT, I guess it’s only high 5s ms at 7000 rpm. But still, at 7000 rpm one revolution is 8.5 ms. I also remember you saying there’s no room for E85 (which can use 30-50%+ more fuel), so I’d imagine there’s a bit of an injector headroom issue for stage III. Curious if it’s going to be a HPFP solution, or a new injector solution. I know, I know, you can’t say, but hints are fun…:slight_smile:

#42

Pondering this question lead me to this: http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/Automotive/AutomotiveAftermarket/Superchargers/FAQ/index.htm

It makes me think that you’re right about the OEM being an auto manufacturer. The 4 aftermarket players are probably all going to be building these for various different engines.

-Skid

#43

Maybe it’s just me but I thought that’s what an OEM generally is… an auto maker. Arin mentioned it was only known to Apr and an OEM. I took that to mean a maker.

I took his (and everyone at Apr for that matter) ability to keep this under wraps to mean it was a big auto maker…with an army of lawyers…who know how to draft non Disclosure agreements.

#44

In the manufacturing world, and especially automotive, the OEM is generally the “part supplier”. So say, Bosch may make your MAF, and Audi will give it it’s own part number and call it an Audi part. Bosch is the OEM, original equipment manufacturer.

Automobile companies are generally only assembling nowadays, they make very very few parts, if any. Less risk, more purchasing power, more flexibility. They screw the OEMs and the OEMs screw them back…lol.

So the OEM in this case is someone who is making the part. As far as I know, Eaton themselves only make the parts for the big automobile companies, and always make the rotors themselves. Then they leave the smaller aftermarket orders for housings to a few select companies. Those companies are names you recognize: Harrops, Roush, Edelbrock, and Magnuson. And those guys still have to buy the rotors from Eaton.

So there is still a automotive company that wants the 1740, but OEM could technically refer to the part manufacturer. So you’re both right (or wrong, as some here may put it :slight_smile: )…

#45

Oops should have read this first. Yes that’s where I remember that from. lol.

#46

Then that begs the question, did he mean OEM or ODM?

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-odm-and-oem/

-Skid

#47

I think the Eaton page is a bit out of date, since it shows the H122 blower for Ford Shelby GT500; http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/Automotive/AutomotiveAftermarket/Superchargers/FAQ/index.htm

The new 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 uses the TVS blower. 2013 FORD SHELBY GT500 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS; http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_GT500_Specs.pdf

#48

Another TVS development news releases. Eaton has been busy, looks like a smaller blower;

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-215194.html

""Toyota Motor Sales USA Ken Nunn, Technical Director for Magnuson Products along with Ted Moncure also added “Coupling the latest Eaton TVS rotor technology with a dual intercooler system significantly increases boost while keeping inlet air temperatures low, improving both power and efficiency throughout the rev range. We are all very excited to see this project develop and are eager to see the results of our efforts.”

KSR’s FR-S will feature the FA-20 boxer power plant paired with the newly developed TRD supercharger to boost horsepower to competitive levels for the Pirelli World Challenge GTS class. KSR with their TRD Supercharged Scion FR-S will compete against Chevrolet Camaros, Ford Mustangs, Acura TSXs and Porsche Cayman in the Pirelli World Challenge GTS class.""

#49

I can’t release the maps and all of the information yet, but when I can, I’ll give you guys quite a bit of data to chew on for either believing me, or deriving the same answers on your own.

What I can say is that you are correct. The larger units do have a lot of HP loss just turning the blower and they also limit space for cooling. They also operate out of their efficiency range, where as the 1740’s right in the sweet spot. Lastly, you are correct, after making a few comments about the 1900 being too big, I was attacked on other forums for not knowing some guy was making a 1900 kit for a couple years now, which I guess a bunch of people are supporting and tuning or something (I don’t have all the details).

You can read the mess here:

http://forums.quattroworld.com/rs4b7/msgs/95874.phtml

#50

wow I feel bad for you.

so someone who supposedly has a business (Snow Trooper) is complaining that you are in it for the money and that you are not in it for the cars? then what does he have a “business” for and why doesnt he just do it as a hobby rather than charging people to work on their cars?

shame on you Arin for trying to earn a living doing something you love.

#51

poor arin had to post on quattrofail lol

I love when you acted like you had never heard of AMDyno and Aviva1manshow. That was awesome. They went fucking apeshit when you said you didn’t know of their 2 one man companies with zero products for any car but the 13 year old B5 (and even then they sell what…Tials?)

#52

the poor guy probably cringes every time he has to. im sure he has a gun to his head to post in that dump since APR advertises on it.

Its not just the format that is shit, the people it attracts are the biggest donkies

#53

i had to stop reading that thread about halfway through. there are only so many illogical, baseless statements that i can take.

+1 on the shitty format - it makes reading through long threads nearly impossible.

#54

That thread was pretty funny. Big bad APR not knowing who their competitors are lol. My impression is that they just went on the attack (on Arin) without knowing really why. Because QW.

#55

thats when you learn to troll ala my AZ responses ;D

#56

He’s had it out for me for quite some time.

It started around 2007 before I worked for APR. At the time I had contacted APR about getting a K04 kit built for the GTI using the OEM S3 components. They agreed and began development of the kit on my vehicle. Some time after APR took my car for development Stasis posted a photo of a k04 kit using the same OEM components. At the time I had tons of posts about building a K04 kit out of OEM components, with part numbers, and made threads for other enthusiasts. Since the stasis photo was the only photo I could find with all of the parts laid out, I wrote part numbers on the photo, and I corrected the color balance. Snow Trooper took it personally and insisted I was somehow attempting to undermine Stasis by putting the part numbers on the photo, when in reality I was just an enthusiast and was sharing how to build a kit. At the time IIRC stasis sold the kit with their warranty, had no support for a HPFP, only had support for 91 octane and may have required an OEM cat, so it really wasn’t anything anyone on the forums was after.

At any rate, Snow Trooper took it personally and has continued to hold that against me, even after I let him know I had no interest in undermining the non competing, and uninteresting Stasis solution. Stasis then threatened a law suit unless I remove the images from the internet, so I ended up posting a transparent PNG of all the part numbers so people could lay it over top of the stasis photo in photoshop. Then I called them out for lying about their turbo being modified by MAHLE (it was an OEM part and MAHLE did nothing, other than having a name tied to their old, defunct SCCA club racing efforts which used an older 1.8T in the B7 A4 rather than the new 2.0T, lol).

He’s never gotten over it and continues to talk about me all the time on WayOT and QT. Honestly, if I held a grudge against everyone who has done something to bother me, I’d have a pretty miserable life.

#57

Wayot…Where creepy middle aged b5 s4 men go to share child porn and complain privately about all the tuning conpanies who are kicking the shit out of their friends

#58

im assuming he has/had some kind of relationship with Stasis?

well ofcourse they will talk on Wayot, thats the only place other than QW that still thinks they are relevant in the scene.

#59

he used to work at Stasis. Not sure how his employment ended.

Due to conflicts of interest he’s not at liberty to post on audirevolution lolololol

#60

Hahahah I read that bs too…maybe the conflict is not sucking on the balls of amd and mr super tial…I dont know its sad…snow used to he a strong memeber and well respected…not so much anyore after his flip out on here and then teaming up to troll a apr thread go8ng on and on about something that isnt even working or for sale after jist one guy had it on h8s csr…

Quattrofail for the fail of the failures…its super funny when you have desperate@anothermanipulateddyno sheet posting more in a apr thread then apr…then we are told johnathan c is the guy for better information. … arin wasnt that guy an Intern at apr before you guys let him go…