B6 s4 turbo...

B6/7 S4/RS4
#36

I meant tough crowd as in a group of critics.

Do I know the specifics or the documented statistics of this car? No, but I am interested, and I’ll find out more before I am so quick to critique it.

As someone who has hand build their motor and hand selected and installed the parts to a turbo kit I can tell you it’s no cake walk.

If I came In here as a proud b6 s4 owner who just put hours and hours of work into my car to make it significantly faster(dispute what you will on 10s cars, look at the speedo this thing moves) and I was greeted with the attitude I’m seeing here, I would be completely turned off by this forum.

People put a lot of work into their cars, let’s take a step back from critiquing everyone’s “subpar” work and realize how much thought and labor went into a project like this.

#37

Great points Mec and agreed! Since being in Europe in the past, I’ll chim in with my experience with European tuning. These guys sure could squeeze power out of any engine and are quite good at it. However, I’ve seen it first hand time and time again, majority of them build high power cars without giving much thought of longevity. Meaning it lacks realibility. It sure does make power, but then in a near future you’d have to pull an engine and rebuild it or get a new one, think nascar. It kind of comes with territory and most don’t mind that. Personally I’d rather make less power, but reliable power.
Besides if it were so easy to get that kind of power, I’m sure everybody would be having JHMs Turbo kit on their S4. Add me to the list of sceptics. I’ll reserve my judgement till I see some concrete info on what went on into this build in order to produce such numbers.

#38

We’ve all been saying the same things again and again.

Is this impressive? None of us know what it is and if the data should be taken seriously

Here is a RE-quote

#39

So many naive people in the b6/b7 community.

Slips are on their fb page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHtXROJvEg

#40

Thoughts?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/xMrWrongx/AudiRevolution/10669038_793837277340680_701964517932996290_o_zps3f7388c0.jpg

#41

I’ll give you 10 guesses on how fast this car went

http://instagram.com/p/sygQP6u4v7/

I don’t think you need to resort to making your car a science experiment. It’s hard to give too much excitement to a road side track results they aren’t accurate. Being and knowing family in europe I wouldn’t exactly except those results as something to compare to standardized tracks. It’s not bad but it’s not exciting when you realize with JHM you can be just as fast if not faster and still have abs breaks traction control a use able dash cruse control and all the other things you buy an audi for.

It’s exciting to us v8 guys as one more victory for having a great S4 but they don’t show you anything about the car. Just months ago the car went 14.x from what they calculated. It’s neat but not really a realistic option.

#42

I love that video, I hope one day I have a video of me doing that lol.

that’s jhms stage 2 s4 right? don’t we find out how fast it is on the 26th.

#43

I don’t understand… Those 'turbo s4’guys are claiming it is doing all this on stock motor?

We know that’s impossible. Basically once a B67 starts trapping 120 it will grenade the stock engine. They just claimed they’re trapping 129

#44

Like I said… naive.

Having lived in Europe and ran on a few of those roadside/airport tracks with my b7. I can say they are fairly accurate, not the BEST but get the job done. You know where they buy their tree Equipment from? Some of the same vendors tracks in America use. Now all you have to do is walk out a quarter mile with a measuring wheel. Seen it all setup and done at German Racewars 2013 at Kindel Airfield.
As far as the motor grenading around the 120 trap range. When there is realistic, consistent, and documented evidence of such then WE will know. For instance that’s about the same trap the old vr6 12v grenades at but yet Took Mullen consistently trapped mid 130s and is well documented on stock motor. All thanks to tuning.

There are

#45

Tim Mullen*** sorry.

Why can’t one edit post on here?

#46

q_dubz, weren’t you suppose to be having a motor built?
…because it isn’t that hard?
Also, you don’t just walk off a distance of a 1/4 mile and it’s LEGIT. NHRA and IHRA tracks have pretty strict rules pertaining to elevation change etc. so just measuring distance isn’t enough. A person can look at a stretch of road and say “that looks flat to me” but in reality it could have a decent amount of elevation drop or rise…drop being the situation that helps the cars time…a lot.

You need 150 posts to get edit privileges. It is troll deterrent so people don’t come here and say a bunch of stupid shit, delete it and run away. Jason @AMD did that and I think is one of the reasons why the rule exists. I think it’s gre

Are they also try to say this thing trapped (227km/h) 140mph??? yeah…right

#47

I’ll have a motor built…one day. Money is the factor, not difficulty :wink: Also you read the wrong time, they trapped 211kph~213…about 130~133mph on their fastest run of 10.808. Looks like they switched drivers at one point as well.

Yes and of course elevation change plays a factor. What do i have to spell out everything they did? Now the strip i ran on had about a 75ft uphill change over the course of the 1320 (verified via gps). NHRA calls for >1%grade. This had about 1.5% Again like i said before not the BEST. I was at about 2500ft elevation and ran a 14.2@97~98 with a stock car and clutch that hated launching over 3k LOL.

As far as the troll deterrent, i understand, lord knows there are plenty of those on audizine and vwkotex.

#48

Possibly your calling naive due to lack of your own education?

NHRA is a 2% grade. I don’t think you’ll find any Euro or foreign roadside stands sticking to that as your just putting out measuring equipment Who knows what your getting.

Power wise I don’t doubt you can do something a few times but from what I’ve read these motors have issues stock and jhm has documented the strength of the rods at each power level. We were told the RS4 blocks were almost unbreakable. Only to find that’s not true. We know the RS4 has better parts than the S4.

After looking into this I see absolutely no documentation on what’s been done to the car. All I’ve seen are some random pictures.

Correct me if I’m wrong but you seen to have hostility over this?

#49

Tough crowd

#50

I think we all want to be excited but what are we excited about. We know nothing about the car and unlike the failed b5 platform we know better then to rally around sruff like this. Just months ago this same car struggled to go 14s. As said above there is no maf and if you look they have some weird box they put in the car for tuning. So there goes most any use of the car. Going back to when the last polish people built a s4 they did the same thing. They out gt turbos on a 2.7t S4 it didn’t impress so they put a standalone on the car and then added a 250 shot of nos.

#51

I was focused on the asterisk
…so they aren’t claiming the 10.247?

I understand building the motor takes money, but if you think you’ll do it on your own combined with a machine shop for less than JHM and with comparable results…I think you’re delusional.

We aren’t a tough crowd, we are realistic and smart enough not to believe everything we see on the Internet. Who knows the next thing we may see is this kit offered on eBay or AZ and people will start throwing money their way. They have no testing, no modlist, nothing to back up these claims. That is how a platform goes to shit. Sorry but that is my opinion on this turbo kit.

#52

nah, the fastest they claim is the 10.808.

As far as testing, looks like they’ve drove it around, vbox’d it, dyno’d it and tracked it MULTIPLE times. With videos to boot. Tough crowd yes, i mean come on look at every reason people put up to discredit the car with the evidence at hand. :-\

#53

I think you’ve continued to miss the same point made over and over.

What are we supposed to be celebrating? You don’t know anything on what the car has other than a picture and some videos. If your standards are so low that this is all you need to get excited then congratulations. This isn’t the first platform someone has put something together or hacked up a car and put a turbo on it. As I’ve pointed out in my last post we have no documentation on what’s going on with the car.

#54

Well said.

#55

q_dubz, the first thing you do is come in here and call us NAIVE…that is pretty hilarious considering this is the most technically knowledgable Audi forum on the internet. Now if you said, “why are you guys always so skeptical?” that would be a great observation.

We also aren’t going to take your word that these European courses are accurate.

[quote=q_dubz]All thanks to tuning.
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I’ve also seen you make this comment before, sure great tuning is necessary, but you can’t tune around the weak limits of HARDWARE. It’s a balance between the proper hardware setup and tuning brings it all together. To run times like these the car has to be making pretty good power, way better than the stock motor can handle…regardless of the tune.

I feel like you’re a smart guy but you’re gullible. You make assumptions that certain things are simple. Last time we spoke about built motors… over two years ago…and you said you had everything sourced (pistons, rings, rods, a machinist). How is your build and testing coming? I also found it funny that you said the most expensive part was the timing components, but in my mind that is the easiest and least expensive part of the equation. JHM has been doing the R&D and changing their processes for the last few years on their built motor so I hardly believe any part of a BHF build can be handled in ONE SHOT. Anyways if you do go through with an attempted build keep us posted.