I agree that ecode and Paperlion keep avoiding the facts.
Here they are, assuming your tune can take advantage of the parts (GIAC seems to have missed that on rev 1)
Headers vs stock = nice gain at big cost
034 hfc vs stock = nice gain at medium to low cost
034 test vs stock = nice gain at low cost
Headers vs 034 = nominal to no gains at big cost
Line 4 is what a few of us are talking about. Rather than face that, header fans are focusing on line on or any shred of bad data to hold the headers up. I don’t know why. What’s the big motivation? Pride? Money?
Richi’s results are being used as the test case and he himself has said the gains are not that big once you compare the headers cars to the other modded cars. Why is this so hard for some?
^^ save that post for those that call saki a JHM-only fanboy - I believe he his bigging up 034 products! As per paper’s and jared’s logic in the RS4 exhaust thread though, has anyone done 1/4 mile runs on those on the same car, before and after?
I think this is the agreement so far, and the chapter is far from closed. As a business, though, they are not the evil empire some make them out to be, they have some results, nothing to show they are faster than an HFC yet, and it would be better for them to get some track results, at least encourage some customers to go with a track day outing to sac or something.
Lol on your last sentence, god forbid you ever get Sak-attacked. His car is still interesting, tailwind gusts and un-certified track and all…his later runs were faster than mine but with shitty shitty launches.
Also people neglect the weight gains on a fully-optioned car like mine. We should start a weight thread at some point, down to the pound. Did Imola actually weight the parts coming out?
Unfortunately not, bango, which is why this thread won’t be the last…I’d like to see more myself before I decide.
Heck, if I had to decide, Id have to say the gains at this point are pretty much done with on HFCs, and maybe headers might show their strength when stage III comes out…hmmmm.
You are avoiding the facts. You are clinging to anything you can to say I don’t stay true or know what I’m talking about.
The Strat intake was never tested by anyone…and when primetime got it he dynod it. And lost power. Strat ckaimed it made power on. Dyno. I don’t care about the dyno but I thought that was pretty funny to see dyno results blow up like that. Once we saw cars do a before and after acceleration test, the cars seemed to benefit so that’s good to see. I don’t remember making it my life goal to tell everyone not to buy Strat? I think you have that mixed up. The Strat guy got owned by me for his shady claims regarding jhm a while ago. Is that why you’re so mad?
The winter tires thing is something I’ve heard loads of people mention. Poor man’s drag radials is the saying. The softer compound and softer sidewalls help, don’t hinder. You get wheel hop when you have great traction, then lose it suddenly. Sticky grabs instead of spins. You need to be a little more finesse on the launch in that situation, rather than blasting it and hoping for spin. Is he lowered? Aftermarket suspension can change the setup and result in toe causing wheel hop.
I really dont understand you Saki, you hate on these headers which have proven gains, you deny any dyno claims saying dynos are bullshit and dont prove anything, but you start touting JHM’s fake skewed dyno numbers in a Eurocode header thread out of nowhere, Bipolar much? Do you take meds for your bipolar condition? Why dont you get the fuck off of these forums and go back to Audizine and leave the big boys to their discussions?
I dont get coached or desperate, its just criminal how your trying to sell 2 pipes for $1000 to people with $30k cars and a bullshit catback for almost 2 grand on a car where you actually have to drop the engine to install, unlike the lies you spread about the price and installation process of the Eurocode headers. Again Bipolar much?
umm… I never mentioned jhms dyno numbers here? Also jhm doesn’t post dyno numbers so howd you come up with that one lol. You’re beyond desperate.
I don’t quite get the bipolar references. Is that all you two have left? Get your own spine make paper. Stop using jspazz material. He called me bipolar a month ago because I made fun of him for having his brother fight his battles. Now that’s your go to? lol
Paper - you need to check your emotions at the door and review what’s actually being discussed. Saki summed it up pretty well:
1. Headers vs stock = nice gain at big cost
2. 034 hfc vs stock = nice gain at medium to low cost
3. 034 test vs stock = nice gain at low cost 4. Headers vs 034 = nominal to no gains at big cost
Where are you getting this “hating on the headers” discussion? The question is whether the far pricier headers make any gains over 034 hfc or test pipes. THAT’S the issue. Everything else you’ve been discussing is off mark. Sheesh . . .
I dont know what you are talking about, I dont know Jspazz and me and him dont communicate off the forums, so unless you can find somewhere where he told me what to do and pulled my strings this is just another one of your lies. You posted about JHM’s fake bullshit dyno numbers in the other thread before you deleted it so dont act like you dont know what the fuck Im talking about. I like how you seem to edit your posts and modify shit to hide the bipolar shit you post. you were comparing numbers between Eurocodes advertised header gains and JHM’s header gains, that makes you bipolar since you have been telling me for months dynos dont mean shit.
I’ve exposed your lies in previous threads months ago and those threads just died down once the truth came out. Now I’m going to expose the bullshit JHM is trying to pull with their exhaust and their tunes on here and Audizine, how about that? I’ll act like Saki for a while and stick my nose where it doesnt belong when I obviously dont own one of those Archaic Audi’s.
Big boy? I think thats your cue to leave. Saki is the heart and soul of this forum. You post no knowledge and your credit card and stupid color car are the only reasons your car has any relevance to the forum. You think because of your supposed pulls with phantom cars and a pull with another b8 that there is enough data to proclaim these headers as a proven mod? Go to the track or do some pulls with other members cars and post them up, then we can make a judgement from that.
All you know how to do is regurgitate info ec tells you, other than that you have no experience with modifying cars. Only your credit card does. Go run and tell on us to your ec boys. Hoping to gain some kind of ammo against the real big boys. Only thing big is your jerry curl hair and bushy eyebrows
Ok so if you mentioned it in this thread why do you say you havnt mentioned JHM dyno numbers a few posts up? Again flip flopping. Also I dont want to start a call out thread, I’m not you I dont start vendetta’s with people and call them out and stick my nose where it doesnt belong. You fuck with all the B5 guys, you fuck with the B8 guys, both cars you don’t own.
BTW Eurocode has never told me to post anything about anything ever. I text and talk with David maybe once or twice a month and I see him once every 4-6 weeks at the most. Also Im glad you like my Jerry curl, even though I wouldn’t necessarily call it a jerry curl. Bitches love it though.
Ya I enjoy the back and forth that we have, but Im not going to go dig up old posts, make lists and timelines and call someone out. But when there is an actual topic of discussion and it gets really heated, that’s what brings me pleasure.
