He was the east coast tester for them I believe. Think it was stock-93 files.
I remember having to vag com the car several times after changes were made.
Hey Tsivas the guy that did 12.2 that you forgot name is ME!!! LOL I’m so fucking happy… I wanna try 100 octane quick before my engine pops lol
I also thought Auditude was using 100 to make his runs and no. Revo S1 is fast as it is. You guys are probably right that there won’t be that much difference with 100. I’ll see if I can run racing file next weekend
tsivas, no doubt his car is fast… not bitching about that… the extra timing they are throwing at it helps quite a bit… both he and Pablo have performed very well… keep their DA’s in mind as well, that is huge on these cars… the other Revo cars I have seen have been slow at the strip fwiw… Personally, I have nothing against him but don’t like some of his comments and more so how he acted when kevkev ran 11.8 and then 11.5 I won’t even comment on him and marty…
As for the 60-130 thing, I’ll give it a try… How does it work? Do I go 0-130 and measure the 60-130 component or got WOT at 60 and measure from there? The second one I’ll need to pratice a little if that is the case… Need to find the sweet spot gear/rpm wise…
Just yanked the ecu… going to get a new tune ;D it’s 6th or 7th trip to AL… lol I still owe you an email…
what makes you say DA is huge on these cars? You’ve mentioned a few times your good times were in bad-mediocre DA.
it’s one or the other…can’t have your cake and eat it too!
Here is my post from over at AZ…
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/475240-Vbox-60-130-times-for-APR-REVO
So we finally got a few guys together to do a followup to the initial thread Auditude started a few days ago when we logged his car. A lot of commotion was made by some in questioning the validity of Pete’s runs and the magnitude of what it meant vs a stock S4… and I wanted to clear some of the stuff I was reading about and at the same time get a good comparison between tunes and different setups.
First a thank you to Auditude, Richi, Dave (Dave329), and Vadim (doesn’t post on here but lurks) for coming out to do this and helping with my obsession in data logging, whether it be with the vag com or vbox. I think after seeing the strip we are using… they are hooked and everyone wants to come back for some pulls/videos and more testing.
The one strip we decided on, in Mexico was really straight and seemed to go for a while and I believe Richi hit 157 on it and then slowing down instantly for our meetup exit. LOL. [hail]
A couple of things before I get into the comparison.
*We all ran on pump.
*We were all manual cars tonight and I think after tonight’s showing, for the most part… this shows how good the DSG really is. The shifts definitely slowed down our times, especially the fourth to fifth gear shift we needed to make to get to 130. It seems the APR v2 software can now rev out 4th gear to ~130 with the increased rev limiter which is a big plus in the 60-130 times. 60-120 times showed a better relation/comparison for most of us as it was just one shift, down, and can be done really fast without any major decrease in speed as seen on the graphs.
*The two APR v2 guys both experienced cutoffs in power and I will let Richi explain it better but it might be something that needs to be addressed by APR. Was it the clutch slipping? From what I gathered from both drivers, they felt like it was a complete loss of engine power and was software related. I don’t know and I can’t say for sure what was happening there.
It was a great night all in all and I hope more people can come out to gather data, especially some APR v2 DSG and GIAC cars (6MT and DSG).
Again the strip we use has very little elevation change, is fairly level, and goes for a long while. Everyone seemed to start at different sections of this strip and still managed to hit 130+.
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First up was Dave in his Revo Stage 1 6MT.
Here is his graph…
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/Daverevorun.jpg
As far as his times I extrapolated from the software…
60-90 … 3.52 seconds
60-100 … 5.55 seconds
60-120 … 9.21 seconds
60-130 … 12.98 seconds
Looking at Dave’s graph… he really took his time [:p] on that 4th to 5th shift (clutch slip?) and it showed with his final time being the slowest. Because from 60-120 he was doing very well. In fact, he was doing better than all the APR cars which were stage 2, v1 and v2. He was also only off by .06 seconds from 60-120 to Pete’s time. Nice job Dave. All I know was his car always came back smelling like gourmet burnt clutch.
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Next up as far as total time goes was me. My car is 6MT, with APR Stage 2 v1 software and Awe tuning intake and exhaust.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/tsivasrun.jpg
60-90 … 3.65 seconds
60-100 … 5.73 seconds
60-120 … 9.53 seconds
60-130 … 12.73 seconds
I could also improve my 4th to 5th shift… it’s awkward and it sux… but with the solid 3rd to 4th shift… I am still ~.3 seconds behind the Revo Stage 1 car, which is really impressive.
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Next up time wise was my man Richi in his 6MT, APR Stage 2 v2, with APR intake, APR CPS, Miltek exhaust and Eurocode headers.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/richirun.jpg
60-90 … 3.63 seconds
60-100 … 5.61 seconds
60-120 … 9.49 seconds
60-130 … 12.66 seconds
60-140 … 15.64 seconds
Richi and I agreed, I would have thought we would have seen some better times from him. He will explain the power loss/cut that he experienced. He did do some pulls on the highway in between our vbox logging… I don’t know with what cars. I’m sure he will chime in.
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I’ll add Auditude’s time in this slot… you guys have seen his stats already. 2011 DSG, Revo Stage 1 software
Can you see shifts in his graph cuz I can’t!! That’s DSG for you.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/peterevo.jpg
60-90 … 3.63 seconds
60-100 … 5.25 seconds
60-120 … 9.15 seconds
60-130 … 11.87 seconds
60-140 … 14.77 seconds versus Richi’s 15.64 seconds.
I added his runs from a stop, for a comparison to the one APR car that did do some launches.
0-60 mph… 4.09 seconds
0-90 mph… 7.76 seconds
60 foot time… 2.18 seconds
330 ft time… 5.46 @ 72.09
Quarter mile… 12.45@116.54
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The last car belongs to Vadim. 2011 6MT, APR Stage 2, v2 with Stratmosphere intake. One thing of worthy note… Vadim did his runs [SIZE=3]with a passenger for some reason. I tried to have him go solo but it wasn’t happening for some reason.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/vadimrun.jpg
60-90 … 3.74 seconds
60-100 … 5.51 seconds
60-120 … 9.31 seconds
60-130 … 11.60 seconds!!!
So what we see is that the APR v2 Stage 2 60-130 time is about .27 seconds faster than Auditude’s 11.87 time. This is with a passenger and with no 10-15 mph taliwind tonight, and 10 degree warmer temps.
Looking at his graph, it seems he started in second where we started in third. I believe if he started in third gear for the run he would have had a much better 60-130 time also. You can also see from his graph the increased speeds where the shifts are happening.
Vadim did do some runs from a dig also and experienced the power loss that Richi did on his quarter mile run and another 0-60 run he tried.
0-60 mph… 3.93 seconds!!!
0-90mph… 7.61 seconds
60 ft… 2.04 seconds
330 ft time… 5.31 @72.4 mph
On his quarter mile run… I will show u in the graph… when he was shifting from 3rd to 4th… there was that power cut/speed loss for a brief moment. There is no reason for that shift to be missed. It’s a straight shift and he was nailing all his shifts all night.
http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn477/tsivas27/vadimquarter.jpg
He ran a 12.5@109.6 even with that issue I mentioned. I believe, just by looking at the graph and following a more realistic shift curve for the 3rd gear to 4th gear shift, versus than the one he had (power loss or clutch slip, I don’t know but it looks like a giant V on the graph), that was a low 12 second run for sure. (~12.2-12.3 is my guess). This again with a 180 lb passenger in the car.
The car definitely is fast. It’s a tad bit faster than the Revo Stage 1 car and a full quarter mile run will show that also. What definitely helps in the runs is that increased rev limiter.
However, not to be overlooked is that fact that the Revo stage 1 cars are putting up some very good and sometimes better numbers than some of the APR Stage 2 cars. Vadim’s car managed to get a better overall 60-130 time only by gaining in the last 10 mph (120-130). Before that… the Pete’s Revo DSG had the edge.
I have learned a few things from this comparison… Revo is making some really good power for Stage 1. The APR V2 car that Vadim was driving also hauled some serious ass. his 0-90 times with a good launch were very impressive as well as the 60-130 time which beat the Revo car by .27 seconds. DSG really helps in all areas not just off the line as evidenced in this data. I want to get a APR Stage 2 v2 DSG car to really compare to the Revo DSG car. We are dealing with different gear ratios on starts and the 6MT do lose time in between shifts.
Well-I hope this helps you guys out. I will be doing some interesting vag logs next week to hopefully debunk some stuff we have been hearing. Stay tuned… or in Hokie S4’s case… maybe not. [;)]
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Thats a solid bit of data collection, well done.
Saki, They ran in -1700 and -1300 DA respectively… I never ran in a DA that low especially stage I… When I ran 12.06 with 100 tune, exhaust and intake it was 450DA… This year I ran the same mods for a good part of the summer and then fall… In the summer I was going 12.0-12.1 even with CPS… then I get two good days in the fall and go 11’s 6-7 times… Summer DA’s were 2000+ vs fall being 500’s so yeah it helps… I wasn’t trying to have my cake and eat it to or whatever, just pointing out that the DA’s those times were run in were mineshaft DA’s…
tsivas, nice work man… interesting how the car with a passenger ran the best… He must shift very well… looking forward to more results… Oh, let me guess Marty didn’t come out?
Thanks guys.
Yeah the run between Marty and Pete didn’t happen mostly b/c a) Pete wasn’t available (work) and b) didn’t want to have him ruin a nice turnout.
Those two can run on a different night. I know what the results are gonna be already. One car will get mopped up in every scenario (dig, roll)… Hint it rhymes with BMW.
Luis/Apexit has brother with same setup as him, if not more and the car gets walked. The dude’s in LaLa land if he thinks he can beat the Revo car.
I get that…but if its ‘huge’ why is your car fastere than every other car? I mean is your car really capable of 11.50 in killer da? If so that puts you a good 4 tenths ahead of 81bear…who ran 11.9 with a 30 mph tailwind in great da. Are you really half a second ‘smarter’ since his car is just about the same mods (he just doesn’t have cps but had no soak problems that cold day, and got faster the more he ran…and has WAY lighter wheels)
Either da doesn’t matter a ton, or your car is WAY faster than any other b8 s4 by such a large degree its almost unfathomable.
I get the feeling marty’s car isn’t so hot.
This is the guy who talks mad shit about how awesome the 335 is…then went to the b8 dragday…and didn’t fucking run his car??? Just parked it???
Now he dodged this thing? Once he saw the b8 60-130 times, he changed from ‘what time are we meeting’ to ‘I’ll only go if auditude goes’ knowing full well auditude had to work.
Maybe I’m wrong but it sure seems he has a little fear.
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I honestly can’t say for sure… Keep in mind I am running a one off tune and I haven’t seen any logs that show as high of timing as my car made the day I went 11.79, 11.84, 11.87, and 11.89… We have seen what timing increase does on Revo… I also have a custom intake, not claiming that is helping too much but it is a difference… I am fairly confident Bear knows what he is doing so there is no way driver is worth that much… As I have said before Thompson isn’t known as a fast track either… Bear’s DA was the same +550, as the day I ran but he did have the wind factor… Our times are only .173 different so it’s not a huge delta… If we both ran in -1000+ DA’s I bet we would each cut a tenth assuming we could get traction… As for will I go 11.5x? Probably not this spring unless we get a killer DA do to a really high BP and low humidity… Low DA’s as a result of low temperatures aren’t as favorable because then I am fighting to get good traction w/o going to low in tire pressure which then hurts me on the big end… I’ll have 12lbs off each front wheel and hopefully some off the rears along with a new tune when I run in April so will have to wait and see…
I don’t think the SC is anywhere near as able to deal with DA as the turbo cars…but I also don’t think it’s anywhere near as affected as an NA car is.
I am sure it is a factor, but I’m not betting on much. I watched a stock DSG car run 13.1-13.2 about 9 times in a row on a hot summer night where my old S4 was struggling to do better than 13.30. My S4 ran 12.9 in good DA. I also sawa stock DSG B8 on that same track in good DA run 13.1-13.2. The fastest bone stock DSG cars in good conditions have run what…12.9-13.0? These aren’t huge differences.
ilspazzaneve ran something terrible (for a b8 S4) like 13.30-13.40 when he was stock, also at the same track as I go to. Wonder what his conditions were? We all know his car is awesome because just tuned he ran low ass 12s on race and 12.4 on pump.
In any event, that piece of bench racing turned into timed acceleration data by tsivas27 last night was AWESOME! You guys are lucky to have that dude on the platform. I love the way he gathers info, and his presentation is great.
I think it’s extremely important to clear up one fact… It was a 25mph tailwind not 30mph! Lol! Seriously it was!
Okay a few other points:
My 11.9 run was on race gas and I was running the race file however, there is a calibration period with these tunes and I firmly believe the tune was not fully calibrated.
Looking at Kavan’s results on pump gas the best he could achieve that day was 12.4x but after switch to race gas for 3+ hours and 20+ passes he was able to knockoff 4 tenths to achieve 12.0x.
Now if we were to compare my experience on race gas we see that I picked up 0.5-1 tenth going from 12.0x to 11.9x (no where close to Kavan’s 4 tenths). I think it was the lack of calibration time on the race gas file that held me back from running any lower than what I ran. I only made a hand full of passes over the course of <1hr. My last pass, though not the best ET, trapped over 117mph and the car continued to feel stronger as I drove it home.
Wheel weight - my wheels weigh in at about 18.5ish lbs per corner. Now my tires are anchors and bring the total weight per corner to 44-45lbs. (I really need better tires)
I agree 100% the tailwind was a factor, how much I don’t know, but it would be an interesting stat to keep, as I don’t believe any other runs detail anything weather wise other than the DA (which in this case was +550 which, if I remember correctly, was not as favorable as the time we hit the strip with George and the other B7 guys)
I however do believe Primetime’s car is just plan faster out of the box than most, if not all, B8’s. I also do believe Ron is a great drag racer who really knows his Sh*t and that he is instrumental in achieve those great times!
At this point all I want to do is get back to the strip on the 7th and see what my car can do without a tailwind being an “*” of the time.
Saki, I hear you… maybe my term “huge” was incorrect… Also, as you well know there is more to it then just DA… the DA could be great but if you sit in the staging lanes with the car running for 15 minutes your IAT’s go way up, timing gets pulled, and you run slower… My best times have come when “hot lapping the car” but no time sitting around… IE decent DA(500ish), car cooled down and then make 2-3 back to back passes w/o really stopping which is how it is in the late fall… this allows the air to keep the HE cool… I can only go off my experience since I can’t get others down here to hit the strip with me, so honestly you have seen more of these cars run than me…
Yeah tsivas is the man and I love his data analysis… All of the good B8 guys are here sharing which is great…
That is explainable as we know the valve opens at 5000-5500 rpm to release boost pressure under normal operating temperatures. With the increased stress of high ambient temperatures and multiple passes I bet the ECU kept the valve closed deeper into the rpm range and as a result maintained boost pressure resulting in similar performance ET wise between the runs.
^^^interesting point…so it does have some compensation available (in stock form) because of the artificially implemented restriction. Cool.
tsivas - You da Man!
Thanks a bunch for all the data collection… You need to give me some pointers with logging!
dude that’ll be a 50 mph tailwind before long. My memory sucks when it helps me make a point 
From the time you made the passes with us, to the time you went 12.0 and 11.9, what did you change…just an intake? If you want my opinion, an intake is going to add very little MPH wise. If you’re lucky? 1.0 mph and a tenth…and that’s a big if. Take your 12.0 @ x to 12.1 @ x-1 and you’ve got a ballpark idea of your time to compare to the day you came with us which was 12.39 @ 111. We had better DA (around 0 to -300 I believe) too.
Bear, Very good points and thanks for the nice comments… Like you I just want to hit the strip regardless… I just hope the cars that said they will show do show on the 7th… Will make for some good vids!
Saki, Yes the car can still maintain boost if needed… There have been a few threads on this on the other forum from some of the CO guys…
step 1: get a pbox
step 2: try not to get arrested while using said pbox
I have one…we could get some data on your car and ilspazzaneve’s car. Would be an interesting comparison as he has chosen the supersleeper bone stock ‘look’ but just software adjustment while you have just about every mod possible except cooling.