Honestly, it’s game over in 1/4 mile time land. The Tesla P85D has over 700HP, does 0-60 faster than a 991 Turbo S (3.0 seconds), and will rip a 10.x in the 1/4. All for $120k - no gasoline, no mods, no nonsense.
Who said the 1/4 Mile time? Tesla said 0-60 in 3.2. And $130,000
P. S. 911 turbo S does it in 2.6 seconds
well it’s funny, people love the performance, but it’s a $130,000 car
As discussed in the RS7/S8 APR tuned thread, sure the results are impressive from an absolute perspective, but relative to the price of the cars, it’s just what you should expect.
How about the media hype surrounding this:
I’ve developed a car.
It weighs 4500 lbs and sits 4.
It has cargo room for 200 square feet of bathroom tile + fresh underwear and socks each day for 4 men for 18 months…and those 4 men can also ride comfortably in the car without crouching their head like you do in the back of a Tesla
It goes 0-60 mph in 3.2 seconds
It goes from 0-1320 feet in 11.5 seconds @ 122 MPH
It has a performance option to allow it to go 0-60 in 2.9 seconds and 0-1320 feet in 10.7 @ 131 MPH if you add another $3,000
It goes 400 miles on a ‘charge’
It can charge in 90 seconds, and there are charging stations every 500 yards everywhere in the civilized world.
It sounds fucking epic
It looks even better
It costs $110,000 LOADED…which is $20,000 less than a Tesla Model S P85D (enough to pay for a lifetime of ‘charging’)
Here it is:
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/12q4/490907/2014-audi-rs6-avant-photo-505308-s-520x318.jpg
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/first-looks/first-look-tesla-model-s-p85d-dual-motor
quarter in 11.8s. Don’t know where west found 10s.
TSIVAS…your images from photobucket are all dead. I noticed in your B8 S4 data thread that all the dyno data, charts, 60-130 stuff, logging file images etc, they’re all dead
photobucket says they’ve bene moved. Not sure if you just organized your PB or something?Or maybe it’s just me.
ya account was hacked and I deleted it. I have all those pics/stuff saved on my mac anyways.
what happened, did someone get at it through your Grinder profile and see the pics of you and auditude? Bummer.
lol you pervert.
Lmao
Extrapolate. An APR tuned RS7 should be equivalent to a P85D. Porsche also says the 991 does it in 3 seconds. Obviously the car is going to be faster than Tesla says.
I like these German cars and I like modding them, but Tesla has a great value proposition. First you save $250 a month on fuel. Then there’s no parts that break. It’s not even using the rotors to brake most of the time; the drivetrain does regenerative braking.
I think it would cost less to own a $130k Tesla than a $100k RS7.
You can charge a Tesla anywhere there is a wall outlet, not just a supercharger station owned by Telsa. Or any EV charging station not owned by Tesla. When there’s a natural disaster like a snowstorm you don’t need to wait on a gasoline line. Just find anywhere with electricity.
West, sorry you are making far too many assumptions.
!. Save on gas? Unless your house is powered by windmills, government subsidized, and moon beams you still buy electricity.
2. I think you live in CA. Perhaps you have numerous charging stations out there but none in my area.
3. Natural disasters? If there is no power to gas stations why would there be power to one’s home?
4. It takes me about 5 minutes to fill my car with gas. How long to charge a Tesla on house current?
5. After ISIS takes out the grid kiss your Tesla goodbye!
If you want a Tesla, do it.
I dunno my folks in New York had a lot of trouble getting gasoline after hurricane sandy. It was a mess for over a month. The problem was some gas stations didn’t have electricity even though nearby homes did.
You can get gasoline from a station and waste your time, or get energy while the car is in its parking space. It doesn’t cost $68 to fill your Tesla lol. Perhaps $68 every other month, but certainly not every week.
If you’re taking a road trip and you own a Tesla, you probably have more than 1 car. If you choose to take the Tesla on the road trip it really isn’t logistically difficult to complete the trip. You don’t even need to plan. The car will tell you where the best place to charge up is.
None of this stuff is really a problem unless you really hate the future. It’s like saying you don’t want to charge your phone because your landline never needed a battery. You’re missing the point of the technology.
This has gone way off topic.
The ownership cost of a tesla is 4x that of a normal car. I think car and driver did there long term test results. The example of people not getting fuel after a disaster is good but you know limited. In most cases government support gets put into public power (gas stations) over most public situations.
I don’t think the electric car at this point is a great tech success. It has one big great plus and about 50 even bigger minuses The biggest issue will always be the huge diminished return on power over time. The battery gets less effective each time you use it. And it takes forever to charge. I think a big thing with people is convince and flexibility.
This deviation got me thinking… what are the actual costs and hassles of the Tesla S? Here’s a good article from Motortrend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/alternative/1401_2013_tesla_model_s_p85_update_1/
In terms of the “supercharging stations”, the cost of these is rolled into the cost of the car, if I’ve understood this correctly. Interestingly the reviewer considers the Merc S550 to be an “equivalent” gas powered car.
I have to say, I’m intrigued by the whole electric car thing, from the BMW i3 to the e-Golf and this Tesla business. The e-golf would be an interesting second car to the RS4!
1/ Road and Track has already tested it. It’s not even close to a tuned RS7
2/ Porsche ALWAYS underpromises on claimed performance spces. Go read some actual specs. The stock record 991 Turbo S is well into the 10s (hell so was the 997). The stock record Tesla is barely into the 11s. The tuned record RS6 is well into the 10s. Get it yet?
yes, you might save $250 a month on gas (you need to drive a lot with average gas price for the country down in the high $3/gallon range to put $250 on, but let’s pretend you do., and let’s pretend electricity is magically free.
$250/month on a car that averages 18 mpg = 1150 miles a month
That’s $3000/year, or $30,000 every 10 years. Incidentally that’s how much more expensive a Tesla Model S P85D is than an RS7
So, over the course of those 10 years, you have recovered your pricing premium vs. the RS7
But your Tesla, for 10 years was/is:
a) slower
b) uglier
c) less convenient thanks to taking hrs to charge
d) shit for long trips (unusable)
At the end of the day, electric doesn’t work yet. The only way the Model S is even remotely economical is if the government subsidizes the fuck out of tesla (using the rest of our tax dollars that they don’t have)…and even then it’s a stretch. And as the math above shows, it allso needs the buyer to subsidize Tesla by paying more money for a worse car. That is a shitty deal.
1/ Sorry for projecting an optimistic 1/4 mile time. It does seem like high 11’s. Still, this car will get to 90 MPH faster than most “fast” sports cars get to 60 MPH.
2/ The only excuse for not liking a Tesla is you can’t or don’t want to afford one and have no basis to compare it to. I’ve never spoken with any owner who thinks it’s not the best thing with 4 wheels on it. They perceive no limitations. California is one of the world’s largest car buying markets and everyone’s quite satisfied. Some people who own them can charge up at work for free if you’re too cheap to put $0.30 of charge in it at your house.
3/ Any limitation or shortcoming of a Tesla is addressed in their outstanding service. Bought early? No problem. Tesla roadster buyers all got new batteries with extended range. Early Model S buyers have had early hardware revisions of parts replaced during normal annual service, without asking, for no extra charge.
I think the cognitive disconnect most of you are having is that you feel like you always need to stop for gasoline. Well what if there was a gasoline pump in your garage and you fueled up every time you went home (or in some cases every time you went to work also). You’d probably never be “looking for a gas station” and “wondering what those Tesla suckers would do”. Incidentally I’ve never seen a Tesla stuck on the side of the road.
The only thing that excites me about Tesla, is their interest in building a $5 billion battery manufacturing plant and R&D facility – than they can commercialize the tech into other every day life gadgets and gizmos.
My buddy owns a local detail shop, they actually bought one for their loaner car fleet (they were doing so many full car wraps it made sense). I drove it around the block and that was good enough for me. Cool car, but nothing I would like to spend my money on if I am buying a 2/3/4th car. And yes, you need a second car when you own a tesla. Unless you are some yuppie who doesn’t have kids yet.