Lol let’s see if I’m right first…
ROFL. No engineer here! Not even remotely in such a field.
Got this quote from my brother-in-law who is an EE- seemed apropos:
Arguing with an engineer is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig, after a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.
hahahaha that’s pretty funny
So you’re going with missed shift? You know that’s pretty uncommon on a road course at an HPDE with an instructor in a street car. They better than anyone know the lap isn’t being timed, it’s not a race, etc. In an S4 you’re only going to bounce back and forth between 3rd and 4th and it’s pretty hard to screw up, given how wide and cleanly the Audi shift pattern is gated.
Do you have any alternate theories besides “the OP is lying or not telling the whole truth?” Like maybe stage 2 with no CPS blows motors?
Evidenced by what? Tons of Stage 2 cars with no CPS. I am one of them.
Either a misshift or a factory defect.
I have virtually zero interest in this particular car. I said early on when the engine blew for ‘no reason’ it was probably a shame money shift.
More importantly, as the thread wore on, I wanted to make sure the forum knew that:
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you are clueless about PDK (again)
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anyone who thinks this engine blew because the of the tune is a moron with an anti APR agenda (you, NO GODS NO MASTERS aka the hawaiian guy)
You actually think the PDK for the Porsche sports cars motors (2.7L, 3.4L, 3.8L) is the same box as the Audi/VW (2.0T, 2.0TFSI, 3.0TFSI) despite sharing zero parts and being sourced from a different manufacturer? The engine isn’t even on the same side of the car. It’s not even close. It’s like saying an escalator is the same as stairs.
Has anyone blown a stock motor? Has anyone blown a REVO motor since camera phones were invented? I don’t even have an anti-APR agenda. I’m just saying REVO Stage 1+ (software and pulley) doesn’t blow motors for sure and never has, and now we have reason to believe APR does.
But yeah it could be pilot sabotage. There might have been a sniper at the top of turn 10 that put an armor piercing round through his motor. Maybe the car was built on a Monday after Oktoberfest (or some other month long holiday) and Frankel forgot to torque the connecting rod to 108 ft/lb. OR MAYBE APR BLEW THE FUCKING MOTOR.
APR likely has tuned the most 3.0T engines and this is the first time we are seeing a blown engine. The guy either misshifted or a stock component was defective and gave out after being run hard. I’m leaning towards the former.
Give it up. Sell the S4 and go buy another PDK chick car because I’m sick of reading this nonsense.
I’m still calling oil starvation XD
Smart people can infer: don’t take it for 30 minutes of road course abuse unless you buy the CPS. There’s a reason Dinan sells these things as kits for $6k. I know high price tags are a non starter with over half of the VW modding crowd, but they’re cheaper than say a blown engine.
you realize Revo NA HQ is at Summit Point? If we want to start a real conspiracy theory lets start there :
I drove a APR stg 2 without a CPS on a road course for 4 DE’s, no issues. So your theory doesn’t necessarily hold.
FWIW I have this on there now
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8700/16937242985_ef21bd958f_b.jpg
And I’m pretty sure Dinan sells their kits for 6k so guys like you can brag about how much it costs to “do it right”.
you’re a dummy. Go back and read what I said. What I said was that
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PDK isn’t a thing…it’s a german short form for Porsche Double Clutch (and encompasses a few different designs from different origins)
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Porsche uses the Audi system on some models, the very same Audi system you shit on, while universally heaping praise on ‘PDK’ (even though you don’t even know what PDK is)
That’s what I’ve said, and the more you talk, the more you show everyone you haven’t a fucking clue what you’re talking about…and that you can’t even read what people are posting and educate yourself.
exactly…there were 1000 APR tuned 3.0T cars 2 years ago. Who knows how many now.
Those cars have driven TENS OF MILLIONS OF MILES
the only APR tuned 3.0T cars to blow the motor that we know of are
- arin’s car, which had a 480 whp supercharger kit on it, in testing
- this guy who was on a track, where numerous people have blown motors for various reasons (money shift, stress)
If you insist that ‘APR BLEW THE FUCKING MOTOR’ you’re proving that you don’t know how engine calibrations work. Again, every time you open your mouth, you show us all how little you actually know.
Several people have run APR S2 cars with no CPS on a road course and no blown engine. Drawing such an inference from one outlier in an unknown sample size is fucking stupid.
I’m going to infer that all “racers” suck at shifting because clearly you do and this APR guy likely does as well.
You are correct that Porsche didn’t invent a second transmission with towing capacity for the Q5 Macan. That’s why you can get a nice one for $63k with the sports diff, sports exhaust, colors and two tone interior, and a few other essentials. They also didn’t invent a new transmission for their hybrid 3.0TFSI powertrains in the Cayenne and Panamera.
But an S4/A4/Golf doesn’t have the 911/981 transmission as you repeatedly state, citing an article no one can read in German.
OK, so the theory is you can go from 270 WHP to 350 WHP without changing anything else and if the motor blows it was an act of god, having nothing to do with the additional 30% (!) more power. We can just blame the factory for a defect on a 10 best motor that by all other accounts has been flawless?
West, the ECU that determines ignition timing/cam phasing/fueling has closed-loop feedback that will dial the power back if there is heat soak…what about this do you not understand? My car probably was no where near stg 2 power levels after a couple laps.
If you fill a 3.0T with 87 octane, the engine will adapt and run at lower efficiency (power level) to prevent the engine from damaging itself. If you can’t understand this, I find it hard to imagine you ever were trained as an engineer.
Who said it was an act of God? I said the guy probably sucks at shifting, just like you.