yes, and it was ironically a time run at the very track you opened this discussion up by questioning, Sacramento. That was on race gas by the way.
1fasts4@GIAC B8 S4 3.0T Auto 116 GIAC AWE/AWE TVSr1320 12.08 114.98 1.79 AWE intake
p.s. nice work dodging the question about the GIAC claimed 91 file 402 WHP 12.88 @ 109 car , getting beat by my stock RS4 that might make 330 whp.
Ya and the tracks we do have are high elevation and hot as blazes. Once my K04’s blow I’ll probably take a look at those RS6-R’s, they certainly look like a fantastic option. Hopefully we’ll see you guys out there then.
And saki, who from GIAC claimed that all GIAC cars will make 402 whp? 1fasts4 dyno’d 386whp on our dyno, on 91 octane. He also had an intake and exhaust, which I will be the first to admit will help numbers. Just because one person posts their dyno, doesn’t mean that everyone is going to pull those numbers. Like you said earlier, GIAC said that car was a ringer. If a customer asks me for a B8 dyno plot with GIAC software, I send them 1fasts4’s plot, as that is what I would expect a Stage 1 car with similar modifications to produce. Nowhere will you see me claiming that our software will deliver 402whp.
And I talked about the trap speed calibration, not the ET.
And I see you were also faster than a C63 that day. Perhaps you should call up Mercedes and maybe even file a lawsuit against them for false advertising. I mean, that car is automatic so it is just mash and go, right?
And I don’t see why you are calling the “claimed” 402 whp car the same car as the one which you saw run 12.88@109. They aren’t the same car, and thus don’t produce the same results.
TUNER WARS!
Saki is more than likely referring to the bullshit GIAC claims…
They tried to get all the new B8 guys excited to buy up their tune, but people knew the numbers didn’t add up, especially without changing the pulley.
lol they’re both almost stock DSG B8 S4s with a GIAC tune. What’s the difference?
The B8 S4 is incredibly consistent. Shockingly so. I have seen 5 different B8 S4s at the dragstrip and they are able, run after run, to repeat their results over and over again.
I guess the one car that you guys dyno’d that made 402 WHP was a superstar special car that makes 30% more power than jsut about any other 91 tuned B8 S4. Well, to that end, why are you using it to advertise your tune? Sort of silly B.S. marketing, isn’t it? Either the dyno result is B.S. or the car has more than was told to us (which is also B.S.).
So GIAC posts a dyno that actually happened, yet now there are bullshit claims? If you made the number, even once, it is no longer a claim. Like I said, nobody is saying that every car will put down this number. 1fasts4 measured 386whp on 91 octane with a dual clutch transmission, while that car measured 402whp with a 6 speed manual.
And the times do add up, like I said GIAC has the fastest ET on stock pulley. So you can complain all you want, the data is sitting in front of you.
How are you going to argue when you don’t even have facts like the transmission correct?
umm…how about Austin from GIAC? And everyone from GIAC who posted the 402 WHP dyno chart?
[quote=MERLINSMAGIC]And I see you were also faster than a C63 that day. Perhaps you should call up Mercedes and maybe even file a lawsuit against them for false advertising. I mean, that car is automatic so it is just mash and go, right?
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So let me get this straight…you are saying that launching a 450hp/400 tq RWD car is just as easy as launching a B8 S4 with DSG!!!
I see why you don’t address the things people say to question your logic…you’re not very good at it.
Looks up… Looks down… Yup still in the b5 forum…
Who cares, all b8s are quick for what they are. Saki they are infants leave them alone.
If you make the number on your dyno, does it really make a sound?
How about I tell you my RS4 dyno’d 400 whp because of the tune I wrote. I would like to now go out and sell it on the forums. I dyno’d it myself on my private dyno. I swear it’s true.
I don’t understand why you’re turning the conversation from 91 tuned GIAC B8 S4 to a car running your race file on C16? Do you see the irony here? You just complained about JHM running great times on C16.
who are infants…GIAC? GIAC has been at this for ages. If a GIAC employee wants to question a tuning company with a reputation for delivering performance…then has his proverbial head handed to him with real life examples of that company’s products delivering performance for employee cars and customers, I think he should have to address the weakness of his failed arguments.
Since that same GIAC employee wants to make accusations of another tuning company, why don’t we address a very recent bogus result produced by GIAC themselves. They’re flashing insane dyno numbers in order to sell tunes to people, who are buying them, then are getting run down by cars making FAR less power. Then they scratch their heads.
I started a thread about this here, and on Audiworld, and contacted GIAC and AWE directly for their comments on my questions. None of them posted a peep.
FYI the B8 is awesome, I agree. I have no problem with the platform. I just don’t think the B8 on a GIAC 91 is 400 whp awesome. or 386 whp/370 wtq awesome. I think it’s pretty clearly a dyno game, and when you want to play the dyno game, you get burnt once people start testing your products out.
The b8 s4 and the tuning in general. They are so hit and miss. First Apr car I did was fast, second was slow, I have driven a pulley stage 2 car and it wasn’t much stronger then rode in another and it felt like a strong race gas ko4 b5… I’m just saying they are all over the place, the tuning is still being figured out.
I actually feel like giac did a good job stating that was one car where I saw it discussed. If anyone is hype machining the b8 its not them, so attack him from a different angle please, this is boring and repetitive.
And 1fasts4 was not running C16, he was running 100 unleaded on stock cats. Again, your facts are incorrect. So, why don’t you go do some more research and then come back once you are more sure of what you’re saying. Maybe in the process you will find how we were the only company who figured out how to completely close the bypass valve when our file was released. Naturally that file would make more power than competitors at the time. Now that other companies have figured it out, you see the field evened out.
But like I said, you are more than welcome to come see a GIAC B8 S4 at Sac. I’ll let you know when we’re heading there.
lol you don’t need to read. This is not an attack. This is asking a question since I’ve got a GIAC employee on the line. As I said above, when posting in threads with GIAC and AWE employees, they all scattered for the exits once I posted those timeslips of 12.88 @ 109 at DA 100 feet. Perfect conditions. It’s hard to get them to answer these questions. To that end, they still haven’t.
So far his explanation is that it was a manual transmission car instead of DSG. OK then!
Anyway, good to see brtworks posting up. Blast from the past, that username.
wrong post sorry
I say I agree, that is fair.
[quote]The B8 S4 is incredibly consistent. Shockingly so. I have seen 5 different B8 S4s at the dragstrip and they are able, run after run, to repeat their results over and over again.
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But why this?
[quote]Launching a B8 S4 is somewhat tricky, but I have done it a few times with reasonably good results.
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And then we see this… http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1015.0
Someone is lying!!! With the claimed numbers from this setup, this car should be in the 11’s! Better call up APR for an explanation.
Oh, nevermind, he has an excuse. And so does Saki…
[quote]91 octane - this is the biggest performance killer. We saw a 91 GIAC car at the strip with us, and the APR/REVO 93 cars murdered him. 91 is a big killer as far as all out performance goes
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But wait, wasn’t the previously mentioned GIAC car running 91 octane?
But that doesn’t matter, because in this thread you decided to change your tone because you don’t like GIAC. It is crazy that you beat that 402whp monster!
But wait, did anyone ever actually dyno the car in question?
No worries, your car only makes 330whp. But wait, have you dyno’d your car? The fastest “stock” RS4?
And do you know how many miles were on this particular S4’s spark plugs? Have you dyno’d a B8 S4 WITH 20k on the spark plugs? Of course not, you don’t own one.
But here comes Saki again, using dyno numbers to extrapolate what ET’s he thinks a car should run. Unfortunately, he doesn’t even have dyno numbers to back it up. So now we have found false claims made by EPL, AMD, GIAC, and now APR. Because they CLAIM these numbers, but any one customer cannot go out and run a great ET. There are no other factors involved, only the tuning provided…
LOL come on man, the consistency he was referring to was in DSG cars. 6mt obviously have a lot more room for driver error.
Give it a rest, you’re just dragging the argument out. Simply put, if a car dynos high, but noone can run a decent time in it, we will call BS on the tune until proven otherwise.
I always point out TTS as an example. They came out with numbers, no 1/4 mile times. We called BS. They produced a great 1/4 mile time, noone gave them a hard time after that.
At this point in my eyes and most others you are just dogging your companys reputation here.
1fasts4 dyno’d 386whp. 1fasts4 has the fastest stock pulley 1/4 mile time.
Did anybody dyno this 12.8 car? Can we just take a dyno and extrapolate to what the 1/4 mile should be? So if I bog a launch in my 450rwhp car, can I then go complain to the manufacturer that they lied to me?
Can you take a single car with it’s own variables, add in all of the variables that come with a 1/4 mile pass, and then extrapolate all of this to be universal?
Honestly, look at what you’re saying.