M 12.4 run was on 100 but i had just filled up so car wasn’t fully adjusted. I also was on stg1 if I’m not mistaken. As far as launching my stock clutch with like 57k isn’t doing so bad. I launch hard on the street every few weeks and have no slip issues. My issues are a weird thing that after i bang 2nd it feels like the car is holding back. then on the shifts the car will hang up if I shift too fast. I believe there is a fix coming for that. Hopefully we can all put down some nice numbers this year.
Pm or email arin… There is a fix…
Why so secretive…we’ve already discussed this in another thread.
Looks like stage two. Also you pocked ip about 3 mph on 100 so it was certainly working. Maybe there could have been another half mph in it but not much more.
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/Screenshot_2013-02-03-08-47-01-1_zps25caf939.jpg
www.audirevolution.net/quartermile
When you sift out the dsg cars from the list (type ‘s4 3.0t’ in vehicle search and type ‘manual’ in transmission search field)…the b8 s4 starts to look very different.
V2.2 on the servers (for all profiles). It’s out of beta I believe.
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Morning guys I’ve been MIA. Busy with work/school last few days… Will be hopefully getting some logs tonight… Hoping for decent weather and no snow.
What’s V2.2?
Saki, Sorry wasn’t trying to be secretive was just in a hurry and on the POS ipad which I hate typing on… Also, since I don’t own a 6-speed car I can’t totally elaborate as it’s not impacting DSG cars… The v2.2 is the newest APR tune version so to say that fixes the issue some of the 6-speed cars were experiencing… I’ll let Arin go into more details…
in a nut shell there should be no more delay on hard shifts in the next gear ;D
Oh, I thought you were referring to that APR comment on a clutch becoming available or something, that we discussed somewhere else. Was just saying that it’s kind of already out of the bag in case you were worried about spilling something.
I was looking through the quartermile database on the weekend and I have to say…the difference between DSG cars and Manual cars is SHOCKING
The whole ‘Manual is faster’ or ‘just as fast’ theory is blown out of the water when you look at the numbers.
Sure the manual cars do pretty well stock…but once you get modifying them, the DSG cars are really killing it. The manual cars have done reasonably well 60-130 however when you involve a launch, a 1-2 change, a 2-3 change…they are way behind.
I have no doubt in my mind that once I sort some small issues with my car I can do pretty well in the 1/4 mile with my car. I have launched the car and went through the gears and I don’t believe I’ll have any issue keeping pace with similarly modded DSG cars… I can def come out harder and I can bang gears with the best of them… We will see what happens, it’s all speculation until the track opens, but I have high hopes.
It will be interesting, that’s for sure. The DSG is some kind of frigging withcraft if you look at the list. It’s really not even close.
For perspective the Manual times we have for B8 S4 cars are equal to, or slower than the times from all motor B7 RS4s (all manual of course). However there is a significant delta between the fastest B8 S4 DSG cars and the all motor RS4s.
I guess we haven’t seen a manual B8 S4 go to the dragstrip in a while, other than Phrost who ran pretty pedestrian times on 93 and 100 (can’t remember when he went…was it bitching hot or something?. Or apexit? Seems the DSG guys love to post up timeslips, while the manual guys don’t seem as avid.
Someone I showed this too said ‘it’s the DSG launch, the manual guys can’t keep up’
This is true to a certain extent, but not really. DSG cars are putting up mid 1.7 to 1.8 60’ times, and the fastest manual guys are 1.82-1.83-1.84-1.85…so really just a tenth. On AWD Audis 1 tenth in 60’ = 1 tenth 1/4 ET, so it’s not a huge deal. The shift times of the DSG are certainly quicker than most people…aren’t they around 150 milliseconds? I know my own manual RS4 shift times are between 200-230 milliseconds, so not far behind, and I’m sure some of the B8 guys are the same in the manual cars.
Anyone have any thoughts?
I honestly think the problem is between a poor clutch and a mediocre drivers…
I haven’t seen anyone drive the B8 6MT at the track like I plan too… Even Luis (Apexit) had a slightly slipping clutch and mediocre shifts when he ran that 12.4… His car wasn’t letting him shift hard bc of the APR software problem with quick shifts… My car doesn’t have that problem and I can have atleast a .2 second advantage per shift than the other manuals that have run. However the DSG’s advantage isn’t just the launch but the 8 milliseconds shifts it provides. DSG is insane and I believe it’s the fastest shifting transmission in the world… According to the article I read its faster than the Scuderia tranny also (60 milliseconds).
The thing about shift time, saving 0.2 seconds on your shift time doesn’t equate to 0.2 seconds on your ET. It affects your MPH mostly.
I have all of my dragstrip passes in a big spreadsheet, even the ones I fucked up. It’s interesting to see that if I am going along well, and completely botch 3-4 shift, my ET doesn’t suffer much. Instead of a 12.89 @ 108, it turns into a 12.95 @ 104. That’s with a brutal complete miss…then re-clutching and re-engaging. Probably a total 0.8 seconds to accomplish the shift, vs. 0.2, but it only had a 1 tenth impact on ET, because the car is still moving the whole time. It doesn’t stop dead.
If you ever hit the strip, try this experiment…go full bore the whole way down the track till you shift into fourth, then accelerate for a second or so…then glide the last 200 feet. Compare it to your other times. It’s neat how little effect it has (i.e. you would think you end up running 14.something but it’s pretty minor.
I should post that list and put notes on what I fuckd up on the various ones.
I will be interested to see how much is car and how much is driver with the 6 speeds. I used to cut 1.6-1.7 60’ times fairly regularly with an AWD 6 mt car. Mind you, this did have an upgraded clutch and was a much lighter car. I want to see if I can replicate these numbers at the track with the Audi and 100 oct map. With a 115 or higher trap, 11’s should be pretty possible unless shifting too quickly is really that much of an issue with the ecu/programming.
Wow… That actually makes a lot of sense and I never thought about it that way… I totally get what your saying and that makes 100% sense… I was thinking the same, because I can shift .2-.3 seconds faster than everyone else who has vbox’d with us but it didn’t make sense to me that 3 shifts in the 1/4 would make me .5 seconds quicker than everyone else.
1.6-1.7 will need a lot of power and a really really good launch
the fastest DSG cars are able to do it. The fastest manual 60’ so far is 1.82 seconds by a car that trapped 111.7 and went 12.48. 1.82 is quite good for a heavy AWD Audi with probably 350 whp.
http://audirevolution.net/quartermile/
Here’s the manual guys.
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/untitled_zps7ad58abc.jpg
Salmon, that must be one ducking fast EVO.
I agree with Pete, and Sak…I’d suggest even if someone has an easy launch, let’s say even enough for a 1.85 or so, they should only be a tenth to 0.15 disadvantaged than a similar DSG car. And then, after that, don’t forget the DSG totally loses out on 2-300 rpm of powerband, right where the car is making the most power. This is a huge advantage nobody is talking about.
When you see Tsivas’ logs, you realize how much of a monster his car is. I already said as far as the VCDS sees, it is an absolute flow monster, even in similar weather conditions to Prime and Bear. In the ultralow DA, Im not kidding when i say 1500 kg/hr flow. I’m sure once Pete and Salmon get a working Stage II that doesn’t bleed boost, they’ll be in the same boat. Plus they can hit 120 mph without shifting to 5th…it should be a fabulous drag car, it just hasn’t been done yet with the combination of car, gas, and driver yet.
hey saki i did NOT have light weight wheels when i did those runs, i was on the 27lbs stockers