I hate Bubba Watson. I have seen him be an asshole too many times.
If I were Adam Scott, I’d be calling Dr. Bob Rotella or some other head doctor right now to figure out why I can’t putt under pressure. The 2 “strokes” he put on his eagle and then birdie putts on 16 yesterday were pathetically bad.
That’s 2 tournaments in his last 6 where he folded on the final day to lose…
The hole before he tried to putt from 30 feet off the green and left it 22 feet short. And before that he 3 putted badly from a few feet off. He must have chip yips or something.
He’s awful. I don’t like him because I don’t like his asshole caddie.
P.S. I will be playing Bay Hill soon…course is impossible from those tees.
Cool - have fun. FWIW, here’s Bay Hill’s yardage, rating and slope:
Tees/Yardage/Rating/Slope/Bogey Rating*:
Championship: 7267/73.3/140/101.8
Men’s: 6920/74.1/136/99.4
Medium: 6647/74.4/134/96.4
For comparison, here are the same stats from my home course:
Gold: 7059/75.0/149/102.6
Black: 6707/73.3/146/100.5
Green: 6463/72.5/143/98.6
The slope ratings are what really indicates whether any course is a killer.
*I wasn’t familiar with the “Bogey Rating” until I started researching slope and handicap. Here’s the definition from the USGA:
“Bogey Rating
the one number every golfer worse than a scratch should check before deciding which tees to play. This rating is the evaluation of the playing difficulty of a course for the bogey golfer. It is based on yardage, effective playing length and other obstacles to the extent that affect the scoring ability of the bogey golfer. To figure out this number, other than from looking at this database, the bogey golfer should take the Slope Rating®, divide it by the set factor (5.381 for men, and 4.24 for women) and add that to the Course Rating. The result is a target score for the bogey golfer, and is a truer yardstick of the challenge that lies ahead for the particular set of tees. Example: 96.3- which predicts the bogey golfer’s average of his ten best (out of twenty) scores would be approximately 96.3 from this particular set of tees.”
I learned all of this after having my a** kicked by my home course when I started playing there, and wondering what, other than “LOFT” (lack of f***ing talent) was causing my troubles… 
To me, it seems like the Bogey Rating should be listed on scorecards in addition to the other info, because it’s clear and easy to understand. Slope, by contrast, seems to be misunderstood by many (even most) golfers…
That’s great. Play your course with 2" rough and soft greens/fairways. Then come play Bay Hill with 4" of bermuda rough, brick hard greens and fairways on Thursday, at sea level . . I am betting you shoot 8 shots worse on Thursday.
Ps I had a discussion with Dean Knuth on a fundamental mathematical flaw in his slope method of handicap/index determination. Can you figure it out?
So true. Ratings are based off a bunch of weird factors, but conditions are only considered at the time of rating. But they can DYNAMICALLY change how a course plays. When I played Muirfield Village in OH, I couldn’t believe the rough there. If you missed a fairway it basically meant you would miss the green, which almost automatically resulted in a bogey.
In Nashville there’s no question our home course is the most difficult, but due to the preset way they rate courses, there’s one local course that edges us out slightly. Ratings mostly factor what happens on the good shots (tee to fairway to green), not as much what could happen on the bad shots (missed fairway, missed green etc).
Our tips are ~7640 / 138 / 76.3 Due to how ratings change those numbers fluctuate over the years, but at one time the slope read 142 or 144. Either way it’s crazy to think the back tees were built in 1970 and we haven’t lengthened the course at all. 7600 yards (with room to go deeper) had to be insane back in the early 70’s to play.
I didn’t suggest that Bay Hill isn’t a tough track, nor that a tournament setup isn’t harder than what average golfers face - those are givens. A tournament setup would make either course beyond brutal for a weekend golfer. Not sure what sea level has to do with anything unless comparing to a course located over about 3000 feet of elevation. Ours is at about 800 feet.
I played Torrey Pines just prior to the tournament there a few years back - for me, the rough was virtually unplayable. Even wedging back into the fairway was really difficult.
Home course is 27 holes, with 12 that require forced carries over water on the approach shot. Greens run 12-12.5 every day. Rough is kept THICK just off the greens, making chipping super-tough. It’s a great course, but can beat the average golfer (like me) to death, so it requires some resilience to maintain a good attitude. On the other hand, my handicap tends to travel pretty well as a result…
If you’re ever in the Chicago area, come on out and see what I mean…
If I were Adam Scott, I’d be calling Dr. Bob Rotella or some other head doctor right now to figure out why I can’t putt under pressure. The 2 “strokes” he put on his eagle and then birdie putts on 16 yesterday were pathetically bad.
That’s 2 tournaments in his last 6 where he folded on the final day to lose…
The hole before he tried to putt from 30 feet off the green and left it 22 feet short. And before that he 3 putted badly from a few feet off. He must have chip yips or something.
He’s awful. I don’t like him because I don’t like his asshole caddie.
P.S. I will be playing Bay Hill soon…course is impossible from those tees.
Cool - have fun. FWIW, here’s Bay Hill’s yardage, rating and slope:
Tees/Yardage/Rating/Slope/Bogey Rating*:
Championship: 7267/73.3/140/101.8
Men’s: 6920/74.1/136/99.4
Medium: 6647/74.4/134/96.4
For comparison, here are the same stats from my home course:
Gold: 7059/75.0/149/102.6
Black: 6707/73.3/146/100.5
Green: 6463/72.5/143/98.6
The slope ratings are what really indicates whether any course is a killer.
*I wasn’t familiar with the “Bogey Rating” until I started researching slope and handicap. Here’s the definition from the USGA:
“Bogey Rating
the one number every golfer worse than a scratch should check before deciding which tees to play. This rating is the evaluation of the playing difficulty of a course for the bogey golfer. It is based on yardage, effective playing length and other obstacles to the extent that affect the scoring ability of the bogey golfer. To figure out this number, other than from looking at this database, the bogey golfer should take the Slope Rating®, divide it by the set factor (5.381 for men, and 4.24 for women) and add that to the Course Rating. The result is a target score for the bogey golfer, and is a truer yardstick of the challenge that lies ahead for the particular set of tees. Example: 96.3- which predicts the bogey golfer’s average of his ten best (out of twenty) scores would be approximately 96.3 from this particular set of tees.”
I learned all of this after having my a** kicked by my home course when I started playing there, and wondering what, other than “LOFT” (lack of f***ing talent) was causing my troubles…
To me, it seems like the Bogey Rating should be listed on scorecards in addition to the other info, because it’s clear and easy to understand. Slope, by contrast, seems to be misunderstood by many (even most) golfers…
That’s great. Play your course with 2" rough and soft greens/fairways. Then come play Bay Hill with 4" of bermuda rough, brick hard greens and fairways on Thursday, at sea level . . I am betting you shoot 8 shots worse on Thursday.
Ps I had a discussion with Dean Knuth on a fundamental mathematical flaw in his slope method of handicap/index determination. Can you figure it out?
So true. Ratings are based off a bunch of weird factors, but conditions are only considered at the time of rating. But they can DYNAMICALLY change how a course plays. When I played Muirfield Village in OH, I couldn’t believe the rough there. If you missed a fairway it basically meant you would miss the green, which almost automatically resulted in a bogey.
In Nashville there’s no question our home course is the most difficult, but due to the preset way they rate courses, there’s one local course that edges us out slightly. Ratings mostly factor what happens on the good shots (tee to fairway to green), not as much what could happen on the bad shots (missed fairway, missed green etc).
Our tips are ~7640 / 138 / 76.3 Due to how ratings change those numbers fluctuate over the years, but at one time the slope read 142 or 144. Either way it’s crazy to think the back tees were built in 1970 and we haven’t lengthened the course at all. 7600 yards (with room to go deeper) had to be insane back in the early 70’s to play.
I didn’t suggest that Bay Hill isn’t a tough track, nor that a tournament setup isn’t harder than what average golfers face - those are givens. A tournament setup would make either course beyond brutal for a weekend golfer. Not sure what sea level has to do with anything unless comparing to a course located over about 3000 feet of elevation. Ours is at about 800 feet.
I played Torrey Pines just prior to the tournament there a few years back - for me, the rough was virtually unplayable. Even wedging back into the fairway was really difficult.
Home course is 27 holes, with 12 that require forced carries over water on the approach shot. Greens run 12-12.5 every day. Rough is kept THICK just off the greens, making chipping super-tough. It’s a great course, but can beat the average golfer (like me) to death, so it requires some resilience to maintain a good attitude. On the other hand, my handicap tends to travel pretty well as a result…
If you’re ever in the Chicago area, come on out and see what I mean…
zcd - what course do you play? If you don’t mind sharing.
And I CANNOT WAIT to start swinging the club again. This winter has been so brutal - we’ve earned a decent spring/summer.
No effing clue. What’s the flaw?
Yes, I’m well aware, but I said the Bay Hill is virtually impossible from those tees, explaining why Adam Scott (and quite a few people) got crushed on the weekend.
Then you proceeded to try to tell me how course ratings work, to boast about your home course being tougher (the only people who like brutally penal courses is the USGA for the third weekend in June FYI. Otherwise they’re unfun and shit for the game). No, your course is not tougher than Bay Hill tournament week. As for what does sea level have to do with it, try playing at sea level on a tough course with bermuda rough in tour conditions and see what I mean.
It’s funny, the tour doesn’t even play 12 to 12.5 stimpmeter greens. I have played greens at 12 and it’s another world. It’s also a great way to kill the greens, especially when you get heat and humidity. Chicago course running 12.0 to 12.5 feet? Maybe for 1 day when they run a tip and tuck and try to be the big tough course. The rest of the year I can guarantee you that’s not accurate. Sounds like some BS club brag that gets spread and expanded as if it’s a good thing.
Most high end public courses run the greens at 9-9.5. Most private clubs run around 10, and the truly fast greens are about 10.5. TOUR speed is around 10.5-11. US open gets up to 12-13, …and is virtually unplayable, and the greens die shortly thereafter. Augusta runs faster than that. One of my friends’ dad is a member at Augusta and my friend (a former Canadian tour player) plays Augusta twice a year, and he said the greens even just for member play are faster than the greens at any pro event or private club he has ever played. He has played pretty much anywhere you could imagine. He’s also a member at Seminole in Florida. Of course Augusta, to maintain these green speeds closes the golf course for 4 months a year (starting a week or so after the invitational) through the summer, and virtually rebuilds half the greens every single year. They also spend more on agronomy and technology for each hole than every other club on earth spends on their entire course.
Private clubs running at 12.0 number about 5 in North America…and you aren’t a member at any of them. No offense.
zcd - what course do you play? If you don’t mind sharing.
And I CANNOT WAIT to start swinging the club again. This winter has been so brutal - we’ve earned a decent spring/summer.
No effing clue. What’s the flaw?
Yes, I’m well aware, but I said the Bay Hill is virtually impossible from those tees, explaining why Adam Scott (and quite a few people) got crushed on the weekend.
Then you proceeded to try to tell me how course ratings work, to boast about your home course being tougher (the only people who like brutally penal courses is the USGA for the third weekend in June FYI. Otherwise they’re unfun and shit for the game). No, your course is not tougher than Bay Hill tournament week. As for what does sea level have to do with it, try playing at sea level on a tough course with bermuda rough in tour conditions and see what I mean.
It’s funny, the tour doesn’t even play 12 to 12.5 stimpmeter greens. I have played greens at 12 and it’s another world. It’s also a great way to kill the greens, especially when you get heat and humidity. Chicago course running 12.0 to 12.5 feet? Maybe for 1 day when they run a tip and tuck and try to be the big tough course. The rest of the year I can guarantee you that’s not accurate. Sounds like some BS club brag that gets spread and expanded as if it’s a good thing.
Most high end public courses run the greens at 9-9.5. Most private clubs run around 10, and the truly fast greens are about 10.5. TOUR speed is around 10.5-11. US open gets up to 12-13, …and is virtually unplayable, and the greens die shortly thereafter. Augusta runs faster than that. One of my friends’ dad is a member at Augusta and my friend (a former Canadian tour player) plays Augusta twice a year, and he said the greens even just for member play are faster than the greens at any pro event or private club he has ever played. He has played pretty much anywhere you could imagine. He’s also a member at Seminole in Florida. Of course Augusta, to maintain these green speeds closes the golf course for 4 months a year (starting a week or so after the invitational) through the summer, and virtually rebuilds half the greens every single year. They also spend more on agronomy and technology for each hole than every other club on earth spends on their entire course.
Private clubs running at 12.0 number about 5 in North America…and you aren’t a member at any of them. No offense.
I guess that a bunch of guys that were behind Scott at the beginning of the last day played a different course, then, because there were lots of rounds of even par or better in the final round.
I didn’t boast about anything. I simply pointed out that while Bay Hill is tough, there are tougher courses out there. You reacted by telling us all that a course set up for tournament conditions is hard. STOP THE PRESSES!! NO SHIT???!?? REALLY???!?!? Thank you, Captain Obvious!
Also, WTF do you know about my home course or its conditions?? Answer is “nothing”, which makes the rest of your rant completely unfounded. I don’t care where you’ve played, or who you know that’s played where - until you’ve played my home course, STFU.
In the end, I did actually invite you to experience it for yourself, so that you’d have a frame a reference to comment from…and that offer stands.
Have a nice day.