"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

doing cocaine on a private plane with an entire calender year of playboy bunnies

nothing else holds Axel’s attention

Tried cocaine in my early 20s. Never touched it again. Did nothing for me other than annoy the shit out of me once I got home at 10am due to the fact that I couldn’t fall asleep even though I hadn’t slept in 24 hours. Lied there in bed for 6 hours waiting for the effects to wear off so that I could finally get some sleep (now THAT was utterly boring). Plus, it tasted like shit when it dripped down my throat. Seriously don’t know how people get addicted to that crap.

Private plane would be nice but I get bored in small constrained spaces for too long. The playboy bunnies would certainly keep me occupied for a while though lol.

Racing against other cars on a road circuit, riding a CBR900 at over 125mph (now THAT was exciting), sailing and windsurfing in good strong winds, mountain biking in ravines and forests, downhill skiing in the Alps or the Rockies.
Now those things are fun for me lol Unfortunately, I don’t have the money to do those things regularly. I thus find myself often bored.

LOL so saki’s airplane adventure would actually be boring for you ;D

Fair enough, automotive related adrenaline is more my speed as well (no pun intended).

I quite enjoy mtn biking as well… Any paintballers on here?

It’s not really an adrenaline rush. It’s just having fun. I don’t constantly push limits, put myself in needless danger, etc. (although the high speed motorcycle riding was probably the most dangerous thing I’ve done to date, way more dangerous than skydiving or alpine racing or formula 2000 racing).

I paintball as well but only outdoor and get bored after 2 hours :slight_smile:

And saki’s airplane adventure would only bore me once the bunnies were all “used up” (trying to not be too crude here hehe), and I’d obviously skip the cocaine part lol.

Lol, this thread has gone in a weird (but great) direction…

I totally agree with Axel. Road courses, especially on the bike, are so rewarding. When my kids are older, I’ll likely start again (I’ll be 50s I guess, but whatever).

I didn’t consider myself gun guy at all, but I went with a buddy from work to his range a few times recently, it’s VERY addictive (and 2 blocks away from my kid’s school, how strange). I’ll likely sign up there soon, since they just started a no-guests policy. Not sure what I’ll get first, maybe a 9mm handgun of some sort and something else for long-range target shooting (suggestions people???). I can guarantee I’d never be firing shots outside of the range. It just seems purposeless, wrong, and irresponsible to me, sorta like taking an F1 car out on the streets (and just as dangerous).

So you will not ride a motorcycle till your kids are older (I presume so you don’t have an accident that affects your family drastically) … but you will bring handguns into the house while they’re little kids?

Not sure if serious

It’s really interesting how expensive guns are. My uncle sold a bunch of his a while back and could have bought a decent car with the proceeds.

I don’t know what Jspazz’s plans are but I think many gun clubs offer members the option of leaving their guns at the club. In some cases, it’s to avoid having them at home and in other cases, it’s to avoid having to carry the gun back and forth which in some jurisdiction, has legal issues that aren’t always worth trying to overcome. However, I’m not a gun owner expert, nor a gun range/club expert so I’m not 100% sure.

Depends what guns. Like anything vintage is worth lots. But hand guns and rifles start at 400$

Then you get premium products like the popular glauc which is in the 900+ ranges

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that would make more sense

You’d have to have guns locked in the house. I do to think I’d want to be the target of a break-in esp if anyone follows me back from the range. And I wouldn’t feel the need to train my kids on anything, i.e. how to shoot, ride a motorcycle, unless they show an interest…they are pretty independent already in their likes and dislikes. I’ve made the mistake once of trying to get my eldest daughter karting, that went badly…

Reminds me of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels lol

Meh, I wouldn’t want to keep my guns locked in my house with kids around. Just not worth it.

I just checked a few clubs and most offer on-site storage with memberships. For example, these guys in California
http://www.capitalgunclub.com/platinum-membership/ offer up to 6 items with the monthly membership fee.

Just makes more sense.

Yeah, the club near me doesn’t have storage, but it’s so close and convenient. I’m not a collector of anything, so locking them up in a safe and not advertising them or showing off to house guests would be pretty easy. My kids wouldn’t even see them, FWIW, unless they have an interest, as I said. Even still, there’s lots of other things I’ll be exposing them to, in the hope they’d show some interest, asides from guns (and statistically not much of an issue, they’re both girls). Probably just going to be a late night thing to do with my brother and buddy, once in a while, to have some fun.

I’m not a vintage buff, powerful would be nice. Glock 22 is something I may look at, bora. Remington 700 looks pretty classic, that’s a possibility too. The options even within the model ranges makes choosing really daunting. Keep em coming!

AK47 is one of the best guns in the world. It only has 7 parts (minus the trigger mech which is sealed and is never taken appart). Its virtually IMPOSSIBLE to jam. You can dip it in water, mud, sand and it keeps on fireing.

So many manufactures make AK’s in the East, and as you see its not a pretty polished glittery gun so they go for dirt cheap. (last i heard 2000$ for a caisse (8 guns) on the black market.)

http://www.ftfindustries.com/akromset2.jpg

why…the fuck…do you want an AR15?

glad you’re not autistic…because I know you’re smart!

Lol…yeah a safe is a requirement for me, too, lots of places to hide that in my house.

I love how this thread shifted. Saki if I join, and if they re-instate guests, you’ll have to come one night.

I have:

Bushmaster AR-15 - lot-o-mods.
Mossberg 500 Tactical Breecher Pistol Grip 12G Shotgun (also have shoulder stock for it)
Springfield Armory XD9 Sub Compact 9MM
HK .45MM

No kids. Gun safe and trigger locks. The subcompact stays in a biometric safe mounted to the back of my night stand. It has a Viridian C5L laser sight and a strobe/illuminator affixed for quick easy night time sighting and confident placement. 5+ firearms safety/tactical classes and a whole lot of respect for the topic in general.

I don’t argue either side with people because I can truly appreciate both sides of the equation.

I know there’s a huge difference of what’s the “norm” on this conversation, and I really hadn’t planned on posting on the topic since the topic is on about the same level or worse than talking about politics on the internet.

But. . . I personally feel one of the biggest causes for so many of the incidents that happen now a days is a lack of education and training as well as unfamiliarity with them. Not training to desensitize (which the media does a great job of as well as adding a knee-jerk reaction to fear), but training to really understand how to handle, care, and treat firearms. Most of all respect their power and ability to inflict damage.

And to be honest, the individuals that see these news reports and go to the store to buy a gun to protect their family, scare me almost as much as a real criminal with no remorse for their actions simply because both are almost capable to the same unwanted outcome.

However, when properly trained, most people develop a deep respect for the machine’s ability and I would say it actually reinforces the natural tendency to NEVER point it at a human being, or anything that you don’t plan on being able to fire at regardless of how many times you’ve checked that the gun is unloaded. TV and media has done the exact opposite of this and as mentioned, possibly has desensitized individuals to death, killing, and the use of deadly weapons.

I grew up around guns most of my life. I enjoy small game hunting still (dove, quail, pheasant, etc), but years before I was ever shooting real guns I had a “training gun” that was made my orvis to feel and handle like a real shotgun for kids. It had cap shells that smelled like gunsmoke and everything else. I’m not a huge crazy gun finatic (that said I own over a dozen, but 3/4 are over 50-100 years old), but I personally enjoy the craftsmanship and lineage behind quality guns along with their history.

My father collected British double barrel shotguns made around the turn of the century and that’s what I still hunt with today. I personally don’t shoot pistols much or have a huge interest in them, because there design is mostly for self defense which the pure concept of doesn’t interest me greatly. However, I have taken the time to be properly trained with them and understand how to handle one.

It just seems like to me, since we know they’ll almost never be 100% taken out of the equation in America, the less knowledgeable people are with them, the more risk is involved with them. I’ve talked with many of people in their 50’s who remember going deer hunting before school, and then just going on to high school afterwards with hunting rifles in the cab window of the truck. But yet school shootings weren’t a rampant epidemic in that era. Certainly a lot more goes into that statement, such as possibly the family model and general morals of individuals that have broken down in comparison to decades past.

This all might be a bit idealistic, and times have certainly changed. But some of that is just my personal opinion. I do find the Sweden argument pretty interesting, as a huge amount of the population are gun owners, but gun injuries are very small. And one final point I heard recently, was how ironic it is that the founding fathers could think so thoroughly about the possible damages of freedom of speech (yet still protect it) even though it held potential to cause damage, but that they wouldn’t believe that gun technology would advance to the level that it has (especially in an age of innovation that they were in) in reference to how gun control should expand to clip limitations, rate of fire, etc. With that, they still found it important enough to protect what they felt was a right and necessity for the citizens to possess.

(hope I don’t regret posting all of this lol)

I tend to agree with your long post. That said, I’d go even further and say there’s a lack of education on all fronts.
Lack of education with guns is one thing. However, lack of education in regards to mental illness is another (from a society stand-point). Cops here in Toronto still don’t know how to handle them and often times, the mentally ill person gets shot down and killed rather than contained.

Family values and education of children at school is another huge failure in my eyes. Kids these days are taught that they’re great no matter what, that they can reach the sky and never face failure or the repercussions of failure. I’ve spoken to many teachers (my mother included) telling me they’re not allowed to fail students anymore as that might negatively impact them and parents expect their kids to succeed no matter what, and if they don’t, that it must be the educator’s fault (the school, the teacher, etc.) and not the child’s or their own. We now have “helicopter parents” (yes, they do exist, heck, just 2 weeks ago, a 22 year old working for my gf’s company was getting fired for incompetence. My gf is the HR manager and got a call from this person’s parents yelling at her and telling her she can’t fire her son. Wtf?)

In the end, this causes our society to output dumb fucks who expect the world for very little effort and when shit hits the fan, they have no idea how to deal with it. Then, some get angry, others get depressed, etc. and society ends up paying (luckily, shooting rampages are the exception and not the rule) but less dramatic outcomes still occur nonetheless.

Anyway, it’s a personal opinion but I’m sad to see our society turning into morons. I just saw a report that one of Obama’s speeches was spoken at a grade 8 English level. I know for a fact Obama is smarter than a grade 8 student so my only conclusion is that he’s using such basic English based on the lowest common denominator. Yes, he has to appeal to immigrants where English isn’t their first language but in all honesty, many English speaking Americans would have difficulty following the speeches of Presidents past.

In conclusion, education in general is failing us and society as a whole is driving this downward trend. The stuff my nephews are learning is trivial compared to what I was learning at the same age. Education on gun ownership (or lack thereof) is, in my opinion, a small subset of a greater lack of education in general. It’s part of an overall trend.

And now I must go make myself some dinner.