that would make more sense
You’d have to have guns locked in the house. I do to think I’d want to be the target of a break-in esp if anyone follows me back from the range. And I wouldn’t feel the need to train my kids on anything, i.e. how to shoot, ride a motorcycle, unless they show an interest…they are pretty independent already in their likes and dislikes. I’ve made the mistake once of trying to get my eldest daughter karting, that went badly…
Reminds me of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels lol
Meh, I wouldn’t want to keep my guns locked in my house with kids around. Just not worth it.
I just checked a few clubs and most offer on-site storage with memberships. For example, these guys in California
http://www.capitalgunclub.com/platinum-membership/ offer up to 6 items with the monthly membership fee.
Just makes more sense.
Yeah, the club near me doesn’t have storage, but it’s so close and convenient. I’m not a collector of anything, so locking them up in a safe and not advertising them or showing off to house guests would be pretty easy. My kids wouldn’t even see them, FWIW, unless they have an interest, as I said. Even still, there’s lots of other things I’ll be exposing them to, in the hope they’d show some interest, asides from guns (and statistically not much of an issue, they’re both girls). Probably just going to be a late night thing to do with my brother and buddy, once in a while, to have some fun.
I’m not a vintage buff, powerful would be nice. Glock 22 is something I may look at, bora. Remington 700 looks pretty classic, that’s a possibility too. The options even within the model ranges makes choosing really daunting. Keep em coming!
AK47 is one of the best guns in the world. It only has 7 parts (minus the trigger mech which is sealed and is never taken appart). Its virtually IMPOSSIBLE to jam. You can dip it in water, mud, sand and it keeps on fireing.
So many manufactures make AK’s in the East, and as you see its not a pretty polished glittery gun so they go for dirt cheap. (last i heard 2000$ for a caisse (8 guns) on the black market.)
why…the fuck…do you want an AR15?
glad you’re not autistic…because I know you’re smart!
Lol…yeah a safe is a requirement for me, too, lots of places to hide that in my house.
I love how this thread shifted. Saki if I join, and if they re-instate guests, you’ll have to come one night.
I have:
Bushmaster AR-15 - lot-o-mods.
Mossberg 500 Tactical Breecher Pistol Grip 12G Shotgun (also have shoulder stock for it)
Springfield Armory XD9 Sub Compact 9MM
HK .45MM
No kids. Gun safe and trigger locks. The subcompact stays in a biometric safe mounted to the back of my night stand. It has a Viridian C5L laser sight and a strobe/illuminator affixed for quick easy night time sighting and confident placement. 5+ firearms safety/tactical classes and a whole lot of respect for the topic in general.
I don’t argue either side with people because I can truly appreciate both sides of the equation.
I know there’s a huge difference of what’s the “norm” on this conversation, and I really hadn’t planned on posting on the topic since the topic is on about the same level or worse than talking about politics on the internet.
But. . . I personally feel one of the biggest causes for so many of the incidents that happen now a days is a lack of education and training as well as unfamiliarity with them. Not training to desensitize (which the media does a great job of as well as adding a knee-jerk reaction to fear), but training to really understand how to handle, care, and treat firearms. Most of all respect their power and ability to inflict damage.
And to be honest, the individuals that see these news reports and go to the store to buy a gun to protect their family, scare me almost as much as a real criminal with no remorse for their actions simply because both are almost capable to the same unwanted outcome.
However, when properly trained, most people develop a deep respect for the machine’s ability and I would say it actually reinforces the natural tendency to NEVER point it at a human being, or anything that you don’t plan on being able to fire at regardless of how many times you’ve checked that the gun is unloaded. TV and media has done the exact opposite of this and as mentioned, possibly has desensitized individuals to death, killing, and the use of deadly weapons.
I grew up around guns most of my life. I enjoy small game hunting still (dove, quail, pheasant, etc), but years before I was ever shooting real guns I had a “training gun” that was made my orvis to feel and handle like a real shotgun for kids. It had cap shells that smelled like gunsmoke and everything else. I’m not a huge crazy gun finatic (that said I own over a dozen, but 3/4 are over 50-100 years old), but I personally enjoy the craftsmanship and lineage behind quality guns along with their history.
My father collected British double barrel shotguns made around the turn of the century and that’s what I still hunt with today. I personally don’t shoot pistols much or have a huge interest in them, because there design is mostly for self defense which the pure concept of doesn’t interest me greatly. However, I have taken the time to be properly trained with them and understand how to handle one.
It just seems like to me, since we know they’ll almost never be 100% taken out of the equation in America, the less knowledgeable people are with them, the more risk is involved with them. I’ve talked with many of people in their 50’s who remember going deer hunting before school, and then just going on to high school afterwards with hunting rifles in the cab window of the truck. But yet school shootings weren’t a rampant epidemic in that era. Certainly a lot more goes into that statement, such as possibly the family model and general morals of individuals that have broken down in comparison to decades past.
This all might be a bit idealistic, and times have certainly changed. But some of that is just my personal opinion. I do find the Sweden argument pretty interesting, as a huge amount of the population are gun owners, but gun injuries are very small. And one final point I heard recently, was how ironic it is that the founding fathers could think so thoroughly about the possible damages of freedom of speech (yet still protect it) even though it held potential to cause damage, but that they wouldn’t believe that gun technology would advance to the level that it has (especially in an age of innovation that they were in) in reference to how gun control should expand to clip limitations, rate of fire, etc. With that, they still found it important enough to protect what they felt was a right and necessity for the citizens to possess.
(hope I don’t regret posting all of this lol)
I tend to agree with your long post. That said, I’d go even further and say there’s a lack of education on all fronts.
Lack of education with guns is one thing. However, lack of education in regards to mental illness is another (from a society stand-point). Cops here in Toronto still don’t know how to handle them and often times, the mentally ill person gets shot down and killed rather than contained.
Family values and education of children at school is another huge failure in my eyes. Kids these days are taught that they’re great no matter what, that they can reach the sky and never face failure or the repercussions of failure. I’ve spoken to many teachers (my mother included) telling me they’re not allowed to fail students anymore as that might negatively impact them and parents expect their kids to succeed no matter what, and if they don’t, that it must be the educator’s fault (the school, the teacher, etc.) and not the child’s or their own. We now have “helicopter parents” (yes, they do exist, heck, just 2 weeks ago, a 22 year old working for my gf’s company was getting fired for incompetence. My gf is the HR manager and got a call from this person’s parents yelling at her and telling her she can’t fire her son. Wtf?)
In the end, this causes our society to output dumb fucks who expect the world for very little effort and when shit hits the fan, they have no idea how to deal with it. Then, some get angry, others get depressed, etc. and society ends up paying (luckily, shooting rampages are the exception and not the rule) but less dramatic outcomes still occur nonetheless.
Anyway, it’s a personal opinion but I’m sad to see our society turning into morons. I just saw a report that one of Obama’s speeches was spoken at a grade 8 English level. I know for a fact Obama is smarter than a grade 8 student so my only conclusion is that he’s using such basic English based on the lowest common denominator. Yes, he has to appeal to immigrants where English isn’t their first language but in all honesty, many English speaking Americans would have difficulty following the speeches of Presidents past.
In conclusion, education in general is failing us and society as a whole is driving this downward trend. The stuff my nephews are learning is trivial compared to what I was learning at the same age. Education on gun ownership (or lack thereof) is, in my opinion, a small subset of a greater lack of education in general. It’s part of an overall trend.
And now I must go make myself some dinner.
Just curious, how many here are parents?
Parent.
My brother is a gun nut. Father of 3 (1 boy 2 girls) ages 6-12. all 3 children learned how to strip / re-assemble the guns before they got to fire.
All his guns are trigger locked and in a safe.
Education is key. There is no more mystery surrounding firearms with these kids. They have a “been there done that” attitude towards em. They arent scared of them, but they are not intrigues or curious either. They learned how to respect and handle them safely.
If I get any guns, I’m not sure what I’ll do yet in terms of education for the girls…it really depends on each kid, and how they respond - are they even interested?
Growing up in the city, there were no guns, I have no family member with guns, so there was no gun education. Having never touched a gun until 6 months ago, I don’t think that made me any less respectful of the responsibility and safe handling. I don’t think my situation applies to everyone, but I don’t think that people necessarily have to have gun training to be respectful. The curiosity will be there or not there for my kids, for many other factors beyond what they learn from me or my wife, I’d say. I can just try to be approachable enough so they’ll ask me first before doing anything stupid.
total tangent - as I’m sure a lot of us know growing up, we didn’t learn everything from our parents, and all we can do is try to expose them to experiences, and hope that they will decide what’s the best thing to do - a LOT of it is based on example. Everyone blames their parents for one thing or another in their lives, they don’t realize that they made their own decisions and set their own path, right or wrong. It’s funny how many quickly people stop blaming their parents for things once they have kids of their own, and especially once the kids reach 5-6 and they realize they are sounding just like their own parents.
With gun education the one rule i ALWAYS teach to soldiers or civilians alike is: (caps for emphasis)
ONLY PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER WHEN YOUR READY TO SHOOT. ONCE YOU TOUCH THE TRIGGER YOUR COMMITTED.
as for your tangent… here is a song that falls right into line with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TBdaagpEo
Lyrics:
I’ve got no condolence for you
It’s all been built to break
From your body to the car you drive
With your friends, in your relationships
Or trying to save your family
Yeah, when we were young
We thought we knew everything
You learn the hard way later
That your hands are never strong enough to hold onto the things you need
Everything falls apart
And it will take more than your innocence
Everything falls apart
You’ve got to hold onto the memories
And now the American dream
Is a plan only a fool would make
You blame your parents for the first half of your life
And then the second half on your kids
The pain felt from long lost loved ones
We know nothing good can stay
Just try to smile through the good times
And make it through the bad, cuz you never know where you’ll be
When everything falls apart
It will take more than your innocence
Everything falls apart
You’ve got to hold onto the memories
It’s a gamble every single day from the rising sun to the dusk, time’s wastes away
How to find a try and move forward while your life is crumbling
And maybe all we can do is undo what we’ve already done
Yeah, maybe all we can do is undo what we’ve already done
We’ve already done
When it’s all been said and done
What can we really change?
We’re always going to have problems
But maybe we can be something for someone else to ease the pain
When everything falls apart
It’ll take more than your innocence
Everything falls apart
You’ve got to hold onto the memories
hahahaha…so glad I’m far away.
Just remembered, I held a gun once prior to this year.
I was in Florida a few years ago, the first time I met our real estate agent there…we started talking about guns, since I pretty much knew nothing, and he said…“oh, here”…he flipped up his center console, and plopped a beretta and holster in my lap. Holy fuck! No ‘careful’, no anything. I picked it up, then realized the windows in the car weren’t tinted, and how crazy this was, and put it back right away…anyhow even the educated and wealthy can be equally fucking stupid when it comes to guns.
Agreed with never putting your finger on the trigger unless you’re about to shoot. The entire family in the photo knows how to handle those guns. Not one had their finger on the trigger. The girl on the far left has it especially right. Index finger straight instead of curled.
Not sure if this belonged in the gun thread or the iphone vs DSLR thread