Hi All. Owner of the RS4 with the AMD S/C base kit checking in.

B6/7 S4/RS4
#61

I think you come under scrutiny when you post about your forced induction mods if

A) you are trying to lie to the forum about just being a happy customer when in fact you are a paid marketing campaign. Think ngng/vf or spinner/pes.

B) you are trying to convince people that a kit the educated users KNOW to be a flop is in fact great (based on nothing but your butt dyno and the massive hole in your bank account that you want to fill with sunshine and good feelings even though deep down you and everyone else knows you’ve been had)

C) you are trying to convince people that contrary to every other piece of evidence that shop has shown this forum, that your shop is really a good guy everyone should like

Per stands on C right now, however a D option could be that he is meeting cynicism for trying to convince us that the four most dangerous words in epl tuned forced induction kits should apply here and that is “IT’S DIFFERENT THIS TIME”

#62

Right on, SoBeRS4, thanks much for the post and offer! I’ll probably hit you up offline no matter what to get more info on your experience. Nice looking car, and love that cooler showing through the grill :wink:

@Saki…sorry it’s coming off that way. I’m not in A-D.

E) Come on the site to share a bit more info about the kit I have on my car (obvious to me now it’s not the info most were hoping for). That process involved commenting on the tuner I’m dealing with, and sharing my experience with that tuner. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, I’m just telling my story. If that story doesn’t jive with people’s experiences here - if other’s have had business interactions with them that were vastly different from mine - OK, I can’t say anything about that, I can only share my personal experiences. If people have shied away from doing business with them because of the way discussions have gone on this forum - I can’t comment on that either. None of that changes my personal experience, though.

Everyone should take my post for what it’s worth: one data point to add to your list of data points from people who have done business with them.

The only thing I’m doing above and beyond telling my story is trying my best to keep facts straight where I’m in the know, correct misinformation when I see it, and answer as many questions as I can along the way assuming people continue to have the discussion with integrity. As I’ve mentioned - it’s been fine by and large and only twice in this thread was that integrity violated.

Cheers,
Per

#63

Hey Per, welcome to the forums here!

Just want to share some insight on maybe why some people seem so aggressive towards you and the AMD s/c… my story might have a lot to do with it.

A few years ago I became a beta tester for PES’ m90 s/c… went in on it blind without any results out in the public (not even PES had any official results) and paid the discounted rate at $10,000.00.

So I posted the whole install online and with it my extreme excitement to be supercharging my RS4! The excitement was almost immediatly shut down by multiple people telling me how much of a POS kit it was and that PES has had a horrible history. On top of that they all claimed to not expect any performance gain from stock!

My reaction to that was… blasphemy! How could it be a company that has built many supercharger kits before not know what they’re doing… so I told everyone to stop being so negative and to stop bashing me. It keeps going on.

In the mean time, my installer and PES are all telling me how crazy people on the forums can be and to not listen to them… everything is going to be as expected (which I assumed would be a lot more power… how can that NOT happen, we’re adding a s/c… right?). So I keep going along…

Finally the kit is installed, running good… and the car feels a lot faster than when it was N/A (also had a carbon clean done with the s/c install). I did a few highway pulls with another RS4 n/a and a b6 s4, posted the videos, and everyone critisized how slow my car was for being supercharged. I didn’t take it to heart because I was still (somewhat) faster than that n/a rs4 and b6 s4.

I decide to do multiple 1/4 mile runs… that was done with 100lb weight savings (55 from front seats and 45 from rear battery)… dont remember fuel quantity… at most 1/2 tank, JHM stage 4 clutch and lwfw, Unitronic tune (I had ditched PES’ tune… they couldnt get rid of a persistent air flow reading error in their tune, car would buck violently at partial throttle), 8 port direct metch injection… post up my best results… 12.65 110.87 …

People laugh at the results, call me an idiot for having invested in a POS kit etc etc etc… I responded exactly like you… “I’m very happy with the kit, it’s def. faster than stock… my money spent is no one elses concern” and this one … “i would purchase the kit all over again”…

and then… JHM comes out with their 1/4 mile results… N/A bolt ons… and faster than my fastest s/c time. That was when I woke up, opened my eyes and realized what everyone has been talking about all along. I ditched the s/c and went all JHM. Now I’m truly as happy as can be knowing my car is running at it’s peak performance.

In conclusion… Just want to share that story with you so you don’t get offended or think everyone is out to get you… It’s just that people have seen a story just like yours before, and have seen your reactions similar to mine… and in the end, they were right. Just make sure you keep your eyes open and don’t get burned like I did with a beta kit and no released results. It’s part of the risk of being a beta tester/owner. I was actually going to be a beta tester for AMD and opted out from my lesson learned with PES.

All n all I’m excited for you and this kit, been following it for a while. I hope some good results come out of the end product… I’m itching to get back into a true s/c kit (although I might be reserved for what JHM will have to offer)

-Dave

#64

Great synopsis.

Reality is that the AMD kit is starting from a good place. They have a great supercharger in the manifold. The PES kit out of the blocks used a blower (M90/MP90) that a simple scouring of the max airflow characteristics of it from Eaton themselves showed that AT MOST it would make around 450-460 hp at the crank. On an RS4 that’s not going to move the needle. On a stock B6/7 S4, sure it would make a big change. Same on an S5. But on an RS4?

That’s why so many people were bashing the kit. I was a moderator on the site where we all used to post around that time and it was a full time fucking job trying to get people to lay off kryptonik. He was honest and shared his results with the forums, and I felt like he wasn’t getting a fair shake. In the absence of the shop/tuner…and when someone stands up to become an unofficial spokesman for the tuner, they take the wrath.

Anyway, as we’ve all known for a while now, the AMD builds are all top notch and can make epic power. Hardware on this kit looks no different. Where this kit will likely struggle is the tuning, so I am not sure if the results will ever warrant the cost unless they can find someone else to tune it. All my speculation. This is a public forum, right?

Talk all you want about ET and AMD (which has historically been the weak spot of the AMD builds, in my opinion due to EPL tuning)…but if their bigger boost/intercooled kit is trapping 120 MPH in -500 to -1500 feet of density altitude, that’s not a win.

That’s 5MPH less than TTS
That’s only 1 MPH more than APR with the 30% smaller TVSr1320 blower
That’s only 6 MPH more than the fastest MPH posted by an NA RS4, mistro, (who wasn’t even tuned!)

I think they wlll have a lot of explaining to do when the stage 0.9 kit goes to the strip on low boost if it’s worse than that. Hopefully they go again and straighten out whatever is wrong with it. AMD said they had no 60’ times better than 2.0 because launching at anything above 2400 RPM spun the tires. I think a little wheelspin isnt a terrible thing, so maybe they need to embrace that and work on the launching a little to help ET. Stil that’s not going to change the MPH by much…and that’s where the real (so far) disappointment is if this was indeed their bigger boost application.

#65

The JHM kit has been in development for longer than the AMD and we have no real data from either. Just let every supplier have the opportunity to finalize their products and let the chips fall where they may.

#66

Sweet man, you get that exhaust situation figured out yet?

The point is the shit these guys talk and the epic supercharger they keep ranting about.

When was the last time JHM bashed anyone or hyped their shit up before it even existed? Why even mention JHM unless your just trying to be a fuck like usual…

#67

This thread showcases the forum.

#68

Hwut? Jhm started working on the rs4 kit last year. They installed it on their in house car, ran it for a a few months, then started installing it on the first wave of beta cars. $8500 installed in Lathrop California.

Amd has been working on their kit since 2010. At this time last year amd announced the kit would be ready for retail in June. Of 2012 lol. Here we are in April 2013 and it’s still not ready.

#69

ST you don’t even fucking know Gibsonl (Daytona) or his bullshit, your also just as bad as everyone else. Just go away if you don like it on AR.

#70

There’s a long list of guys who trash this forum both here and on other forums, who say they are never coming back… But who can’t seem to stay away.

I don’t get it.

#71

Posted some pics of the hardware as it was getting installed here, for those that are interested. http://www.perfarnyphotography.com/RS4/AMD-Super-Charger/28372095_9KDZP8

No data, no dyno, no 1/4, just pics :slight_smile:

@Dave (kryptonik) - thanks very much for sharing, I appreciate it and will keep it in mind…and @saki - good follow-on post.

Just one of a few pics showing some detail:

http://www.perfarnyphotography.com/RS4/AMD-Super-Charger/i-LkpL8Wg/0/XL/3H4A3521-L.jpg

#72

[quote=“KryptoniK,post:63,topic:4246”]
Have you been back to the 1/4 since you switched from S/C to bolt-on JHM?

That hardware looks really well done. Glad to hear you’re liking your car. Cheers, enjoy it!

#73

^^^he didn’t go back yet to my knowledge or we would have him on the list.

Daves a good driver. It would be good to see him go with his new setup. There’s a few guys in rs4s in the new York area fixing to hit the strip. NY07RS4, Tony rs4 among them.

#74

I would love to join that group of guys as well when I get the rest of my parts on the car. Would be nice to just have a comparison between tunes, exhaust sizes, etc. I’ve never taken my car to the strip before so I’m sure it would take a few runs for me to get acquainted, in fact I’ve never even launched my car in my 3 years of ownership. No launch control with my Unitronic tune either :frowning:

#75

You took a flyer on the 2.5 catless ssac downpipes right? What else again?

#76

Something for people to analyze and dissect in their spare time :wink:

Thanks to Justin (RS4in206) for coming out today for some fun. Below two pulls between our cars. Too bad I missed fourth on the second one…we did 3 runs altogether, and 4th is where I’d really leave him (you get a tiny glimpse of that in the 2nd pull).

Enjoy the video.

(BTW - how do I edit posts? Would like to update first one to reflect the video addition. Thought I saw the option before, don’t see it anywhere now. Thanks for the help.)

-Per

#77

That’s fun to watch. What a rape job.

Put about 4 cars easy. Orobably would equate to about 5-8 cars in the quarter mile or about as many tenths assuming similar launches.

If stock is around 12.8-13.0, reckon high elevens to low 12s so that seems right

Help me out… Are you running 3.0" downpipes into a 2.36" stock catback?

#78

External measurements to keep it simple: 3" at header collector to 2.75" at flange, to stock exhaust.

http://www.perfarnyphotography.com/Private/Other/RS4/i-hzRcdNS/0/X2/AMD_3inDPs-Xl.jpg

Discussed it a bit with Jason prior and thought it’d be something to try.

#79

Looks like you have an opportunity to gain some additional horsepower

#80

Lol that’s not a v-band clamp, that’s an actual Sanitary Tri-clamp. What did you use for a gasket…interesting