I haven't seen a company fight the 1/4 mile this hard in a while

B5 S4/ RS4
#1

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485004
034Motorsport B5 S4 Single Turbo Kit Teaser

Basically the last couple of pages. A few people ask for timeslips to validate the dyno (034’s own dyno) and fats numbers and butt dynos…and instead034 comes up with a bunch of reasons not to go, busting out the tial playbook.

“don’t want to launch the car”
“dyno, fats and 60_130 is enough”
“quarter mile is too subjective”
And maybe the best one ever…
“we are to busy and sales are so strong we don’t need to”

Pretty weird…they are selling a single turbo kit that some guys are worried will be a dog down low and will struggle holding boost between the gears, so what do they do? Offer 60-130 times/fats/dyno with one or zero shifts lol. Oh and an in car video of someone driving the car, alone on a highway.

As usual the masses are drooling over the dyno and fats talk, but more worryingly, they are attacking the guys requesting quarter mile times.

Then we get the usual ignorance saying the strip is “too driver dependent”. Ummm…newsflash…don’t the guys at 034 race this fucking car? I would assume at least one of them can drive.

Then they all focus on launching the car and ET of course…and NOBODY mentions trap speed.

All in all a pretty annoying situation.

They say they will do some pulls against some"proven" tial cars (to be honest there are zero proven tial cars).

Why don’t they skip down #5 a few minutes and race the ACTUALLY proven jhm rs6r car that went 10.8 @ 130+? JHM will drive up to meet them tomorrow if they want.

#2

best comment in the thread…

by S-power

[quote]And the B6/B7 and B8 boys thought they had us HAHAHA!
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A properly built and tuned B5 should be faster than a NA B6/B7 any day. Why would this guy think that a single turbo setup is the answer? I would prefer twins that spool quicker over some beastly turbo that isn’t full spool until 4000 rpms.

Anyways I can’t believe that they won’t back this kit up with 1/4mile times, it just amazes me that they make excuses and dodge the track.

#3

JHM is just a few towns over from them and they work together on a lot of things. They generally have the same testing process as JHM. Weird to see them curse the 1/4

#4

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#5

A properly built and tuned B5 should be faster than a NA B6/B7 any day. Why would this guy think that a single turbo setup is the answer? I would prefer twins that spool quicker over some beastly turbo that isn’t full spool until 4000 rpms.

Anyways I can’t believe that they won’t back this kit up with 1/4mile times, it just amazes me that they make excuses and dodge the track.
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Not speaking for them as I think 2.8 manifolds are a joke and I crossed that bridge years ago but my hta gt3586r out spools and outflows any comparable twins, even 770s with their crazy small AR. The misconception that a big single spools slow is based off old tech, new turbo technology has made them the efficiency kings.

#6

You guys should tad those last two pages…it will make you laugh, and cry.

Interestingly Jibberjive was advocating a quarter mile pass for a minute but then he backed down when 034 gave him some bogus reasons.

I would love to quote some of the gold from that thread here. I’m on my phone though and its a pain.

#7

I’m not allowed on AZ, apparently I am bad for their advertising income from fake companies. Man if I was there these days like half the b5 forum advertisers would leave. Drop shipping, tune stealing, vaporware peddling, destroying the market shit show that Anthony is getting paid for. Straight up sad.

#8

I agree with everything said about 034 in this thread. I was reading 034’s excuses about not running the 1/4. I am pretty sure he has raced a few people from a dig and lost, which is why he wants to to put on a smaller a/r.

I find it funny that he he can do mountain runs, 60-130’s, make passes on the highway, but can’t go to the track and do one pass. He also posts info about that car on forums where people like me can’t post. Lol.

#9

So I cleared cookies and went and started reading, can’t do it. stuff here about max and or 034 has been deleted cause it wasn’t entirely fair or needed.

I shit you not I had 50 plus people trying to give me money for a kit over the last 3-4 years and I didn’t feel comfortable doing that until it was 100% proven and I had 10k miles on a kit. I have built 5 for close customers/friends and those are situations I can monitor and help with. Sucks to have ethics!

To clarify, I am not saying they do not have ethics, just that my personal ones would not allow me to sell a kit that is not finalized, tested in many mediums and the longevity tested. I learned many hard lessons at stasis about churning out anything to fast.

#10

Not speaking for them as I think 2.8 manifolds are a joke and I crossed that bridge years ago but my hta gt3586r out spools and outflows any comparable twins, even 770s with their crazy small AR. The misconception that a big single spools slow is based off old tech, new turbo technology has made them the efficiency kings.
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Interesting…I’ve been out of the turbo game for a while and there are so many options now it’s hard for me to get schooled up again. Thanks for the info though Snow Trooper. I could definitely understand a single setup over a twin for cost and basically cutting the amount of plumbing and parts in half.

#11

next year i will be contacting you on a set of manifolds ect ect… Your kit is amazing! I just want to run a 71-76mm PTE

#12

He made a legitimate business case in response to my questions (post #657). Sorry I don’t let an obsession for the drag strip overshadow logic and reason.

I just hope that when it does makes business sense to run balls out at the 1/4, that they prepare to go balls out with their shop car with no excuses. I don’t hold out high hopes though.

#13

They don’t have to go balls out, even shake down runs get you respect from the drag junkies.

#14

What would they have to run with the single in the 1/4 to get respect from you ?

#15

Anything in the 11s since a ko3 car has no issues going mid 12s.

If it can’t do even high 11s at around 20 psi then its a failure of a conversion and utterly pointless.

#16

Careful, people don’t understand that. You will blow their mind.

#17

I don’t think their target demographic is really the drag junkies.

#18

Dude, I try to get your back a lot when its warranted but honestly Stfu on this. That’s me being a Dick btw. Their Target demographic is 16-25 and very much into drag racing, probably on the street more or less. Don’t be so anxious to argue cause it will literally piss me off. They are realizing that that kit don’t spool so hot, just can’t admit it, won’t drag cause its a dog and now you want to say that’s not their demographic? Well who is? Autocross/roadrace? JFC man…

#19

Tsk tsk I told you to be careful. Two posts up.

I love that you have to be a drag junkie to measure an Audi using the de facto standard acceleration test. Every other platform on earth its a no brainer…you use the dragstrip.

Not Audi…no if you suggest the strip to an Audi guy you are either insulting the brand because they are somehow above the strip or you are living your life a quarter mile at a time.

Its is fucking laughable but it helps expose who the bullshit artists are and the guys who don’t know fuck all about making cars faster. so for that we are grateful

#20

For me, I feel so spoiled by a K04 car’s abilities that if I were to upgrade I would want it all. The 1/4 mile really showcases the speed and powerband which most individuals will ever use. While I look at the 770 cars and marvel at the 60-130’s, I realize that I will never really find myself 1) in the powerband and 2) in an area to use this area of the powerband. For most of us, the S4 is our daily driver so we want something that keeps power down low yet improves up top. So far, this is a tough proposition. We really have been spoiled by how hard the K04’s hit (or I have at least).