I haven't seen a company fight the 1/4 mile this hard in a while

B5 S4/ RS4
#21

Ha wow, I hit a nerve with that one. Back me up when you think I’m right, don’t back me up when you think I’m wrong, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m not looking for any ideological loyalty.

As for this thread, I’m not anxious to argue, I simply replied to Saki when he mentioned me by name with his usual subtle distortions of the truth, and then I replied to you when you posted in direct response to something I posted. I’m not trying to inflame you. Also, my points in this thread were solely about a business case and how the 1/4 can play into marketing/hype. My points in this thread (and the AZ thread) have nothing to do with the actual performance of this kit or trying to pick sides one way or another with how it will/won’t should/shouldn’t perform.

On that business case aspect, when I said I don’t think their target demographic is necessarily the self-described ‘track junkies’ (I’m using your own term, so don’t take it as me trying to diss or be condescending), I meant that they obviously aren’t focusing on trying to sell a single turbo kit to snowtrooper, Sakimano and the like. They’re obviously catering to the type of people who check into the 034 update thread 5 times a day to say stuff like, “Looks like the value of the S4 is going to go up because of this,” and “now the B6/7/8 guys are in real trouble,” etc. 034 is already on backorder with this kit, and I don’t think it’s the track junkies that are the ones making tons of pre-orders for a budget log-manifold, journal bearing turbo kit based on an onramp video and promises of FATS times. So from a business perspective, I don’t think their target demographic is currently the track junkies. And that is my drawn-out explanation of my one sentence post.

#22

So basically in your eyes they are catering to regards and therefore get a free pass on proving there so called proven kit? Watch the videos, its a dog, why does no one want to say it? Oh that’s right, they are retarded and sucking this spoon feed hype up like their mothers milk.

Btw, drag junkie wasn’t the right term, how about car junkie. I’m not even a drag junkie, I do go when able, I’m more of a hoon junkie. Everyone does street pulls, the 1/4 miles proves a car works atleast half way decent real world. End of story. No one cares about a quick et or a high trap, they want to see it ran through gears in a controlled situation, not on the highway. He can literally roll off the line like a grandma, shift slow and smooth and still go low 12s high 11s if it doesn’t fall on its face.

#23

I’ve never said their kit is ‘proven’, nor have I agreed that I think it’s something that it’s not. If you feel something is a certain way, and you feel inclined to be vocal about it, go for it. I’m vocal about things I feel passionate about as well. Again, everything I’ve said in this thread is relating to the ‘business case’ discussion. Simply put, if demand outweighs supply, then additional demand doesn’t beiiiiiiinefficientficientficientficientficientficientficientit the producer. Thus they currently have no motivation to increase demand (via catering to people other than who they’re currently catering to, going to the 1/4mi, or whatever else).

There is no FTC regulation that says, “Thou shalt dyno/FATS/1/4mile your car before you are allowed to sell said product,” and 034 (or me, or you, or whomever) don’t need to justify the sale of said product to you any more than you would need to justify to 034 the sale of your products. Company XYZ could hypothetically decide to market a nicely done squirrel shaped turd-pile, and the only business case that they would be required to make is to the one calling the shots on the manufacturing and selling of the turd. That squirrel turd doesn’t need the snowtrooper, Sakimano, or jibberjive stamp of approval before they’re allowed to sell it. Sure, certain things (testing) can help/hurt marketing, but 034 can manufacture whatever they want and sell it to whomever they want. And you’re allowed to vocally oppose it if you choose to do so. Free market at work.

Note that what I said above is about business, not any specific performance claims/backing/etc, and I also tried to keep it general so that my point is understood in generalities, not solely applicable to this company/product. It’s a free-market. A car product is not required to go to the 1/4 mile before they are allowed to sell something to someone. A car product is not required to do a dyno pull before they are allowed to sell something to someone. A car product is not required to do a FATS pull before they are allowed to sell something to someone.

I agree with most of what is said in this quote, and I respect it as your opinion. If you want to see my personal opinion of the 1/4 mi and what it represents outside of the business case, you can see that in the earlier posts of mine in that AZ thread linked the OP. I don’t care to restate it in this thread, because that would only perpetuate a winner-less argument that boils down to a difference of opinion.

#24

[quote=“Snow_Trooper,post:22,topic:3666”]
And I think this is a bit of a mis-statement, Sakimano poos a brick when he sees any time or any trap.

#25

Here we go with jibberjive’s 5000 word rebuttals…

#26

Awful. Add in the fact he is talking about something he has admittedly very little comprehension of, and we are in for a right yawn as he tries to baffle us with verbal diarrhea ridden paragraphs.

#27

Hey guys. I have purchased an 034 single turbo “kit” and I will give you guys some 1/4 mile results when I get my parts installed/clutch broken in. I will also do some pulls with a local FT car. I will be stock motor and running a BB PT5858 .64A/R on 93 pump only. I’ll probably add meth next spring for summer drive ability. We will all see what’s up in a month or so when these kits start getting installed by customers…

#28

[quote=“jibberjive,post:24,topic:3666”]

Care to expand on that? When I see a time that doesn’t meet up with the claims of a seller (or one of their fanboys), I say so. What is wrong with that?

If I see a time that makes sense I applaud the vendor for going and making an effort to provide us a true, third party controlled, certified evaluation of their product to show what it does where it matters…while accelerating through the gears, which is what we all do every day.

In house dynos and fats times? That’s like usain bolt controlling the stop watch in his races. 60-130 files? Interesting but they hide most of these kits biggest weaknesses. Hopefully guys like you and the other B5 kids will figure that out one day.

Don’t you find it weird that virtually none of these companies in B5 land agrees to hit the strip? Everyone wants to hold the stop watch. Doesn’t that alarm anyone over there?

#29

Welcome:
Please don’t hate me for saying this; Why would you buy a kit that wasn’t at least put through some rigorous testing before you purchased it? I’ve seen you post on flopzine and I see that you are very happy about your future turbo kit, but can you please ask Max to do a 1/4 mile pass? and if he says no, tell him you might be interested in a refund. I honestly believe that the reasoning behind not doing a 1/4 mile pass is because 034 has realized that they don’t have to prove to their customers how well the car is built, because they have realized that the customers like you and others, can be swayed in any direction they want because people like yourself are letting them. You and the rest of the buyers need to force 034 to prove that the kit is what it should be, not what they are making you think it is.

#30

[quote=“sakimano,post:26,topic:3666”]
What are you talking about? Do you just fabricate this stuff up as you go along (kinda like saying that my car isn’t running or that it is running as fast as a tuned 2.0t)? I admittedly said I have likely seen MORE B5 S4 1/4 mile times over the years to evaluate than what you have seen, I’m not sure how you twist that into me saying that I don’t comprehend the 1/4 mile.

A right yawn, what are you, British lol

#31

I don’t hate anyone…

As for my reasoning and rational behind purchasing the 034 setup, it’s the same price as going stage 3 with a “healthy” BW K04 setup (400+ whp capable). Someone has to be the guinea pig right and the first guinea pigs (me) get a substantial discount on the hardware. I will give my personal review of the 034 setup when I have something to review…

#32

good shit Monty…thanks for stripping up to help guys get data.

I’m sure it will be great…I just wish 034 would do their testing before their selling so guys like you (their best customers who buy on faith) wouldn’t have to.

#33

I find it funny that Max is saying he doesn’t want to break axles, or whatever else, but a company the size and caliber of 034 can’t just sponsor the car for whatever breaks making a few passes. Chances are that nothing will break, and it will be fine. Little weird to have a car be the test dummy for making a production turbo kit but then have an excuse like that for avoiding the 1/4 mile.

#34

They are bitches, especially with parts like this at there disposal…

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis-components-audi-a4s4a6s6-axle-pair-high-strength-b5-s4-front-p-21348.html

Breaking shit costs money, but it sure is fun to know your car can snap an axle…lol

#35

My drag videos were on stock trans, axles, rear end, drive shaft and even engine mounts… Lol at the excuses. I broke nothing, even anti lagging. People should learn to slip out of the hole already. It’s not that hard.

#36

034 actually promised to go to the strip earlier in the thread. Maybe they did…and that’s why they don’t want to go when people know about it because people will want the result.

Watch that video…is it just me or is it taking ages to get through each gear? Of course everyone is saying it is incredible lol.

#37

… This post wasn’t needed.

#38

First let me take this opportunity to pimp Snow Troopers Single turbo kit and to point out that when your going single turbo its a nightmare if you don’t have every detail down to the littlest degree. Snow has done that (from what Ive seen and read). Evey inch of the exhaust is meant to help spool and support a much larger turbo. All the pluming and placement of parts have been well thought out. A proper shakedown pass has been done and best I know the pluming has been done in such a way that you don’t have to fire sleeve every part of your ware harness or require you to gut 90$ of the car.

034s kit looks (one mans opinion) to be a extremely great attempt to make a small budget minded approach to making a single turbo kit. Still in the B5 land there is that group of people that are more excited on the concept of things rather then the actual construct of things. regardless of this 034 has made something to excite the masses. Good or bad its doing just that

While I can’t remember the name of the meet. There was a large west coast car meet where the JHM 10.7 RS6r car was there looking to race the 034 single and a 770 car, Before the car meet both The 034 single car and the 770 car accepted a race with the RS6r car. When the race day came both the single and 770 car backed out. (once again second hand information)

I have to say anyone that doubted sakimano and his attempts to point out flaws where he sees them might want to take a second and look at his consistency. Here is yet another company that has a product that they want the masses to by but have yet to do tests that quite a few of the people in the B5 masses are looking for. I support what he is saying. The Tial turbos got the same thrashing for there lack of results and testing (in some arenas)

Monty23 welcome to be board and congrats on your purchase. In my opinion [quote] QUOTE FROM MONTEY23: Someone has to be the guinea pig right
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Wrong no one needs to be the or should have to be the guinea pig. The company selling you the parts should have made a large effort to make sure the results are tested and tested before you get the opportunity. It is wrong for any company to lay the responsibility on you to go prove a kit works at the track. Every excuse that 034 has for not testing on the track is a great layout of why you shouldn’t have to take that burden on your shoulders.

I suppose you can look at it like its a beta kit still and for that you should definitively get a discount and its great to see that you did. 034 is doing right on that account for sure. The first few kits are going to help support or help push the legitimacy of the kit

There appears there will always be the debate on what company should and shouldn’t do. I have to agree with several guys here. I think its a potential bad sign to be dodging the track like this for 034 and this kit, if there trying to claim its got a great area under the curve and makes for a great street turbo/ alternative to the smaller case turbos they would do well to go show that in a more real world environment

#39

Great response, and the meet to which you are referring is Wuste. I was also there, and had a chance to talk directly to 034. I can’t remember who it was, but it was not Max. They did have the single turbo car, as well as a 770 car. I was asking him about both of them, and basically inquiring on how the two compare. He told me flat out that the single turbo car is no better than the 770 car, and that they are very similar in performance. What I gathered is that, if you’re going that direction, he advises that you just go 770. He admitted that both are very laggy and that a K04 car will obviously smash them from light to light.

Forgot about this when we were discussing the topic earlier, but that was my conversation about the kit directly with 034.

#40

Max’s most recent reply geared towards what seems to be Snow Trooper is pretty funny…

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/485004-034Motorsport-B5-S4-Single-Turbo-Kit-Teaser?p=7871981&viewfull=1#post7871981