It just doesn't work: Tesla

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#735

As I understand it. the luda mode is as said dependent on motors but also the size of the battery cables and due to the cost of material the lower end models so to speak don’t have the wire packing of the cables. Its the cables that control to some degree the power.

I tried again to drive a local tesla car… still don’t think tis the future given the other cars ive driven. I still stand well by my statement. I like lots of aspects of them but still too many down sides. ele motors stand to make a helpful part of the future that seems certain. so they are part of the future but not the future.

#736

I see, I have still yet to drive one…with my car still fucked in the shop I may in the market for a new car…leaning toward RS3/TTRS or Jag F-Type R, but I still want to test a P90D, P3D, and maybe a '15 RS5 (curious to see how much JHM does with it)

#737

Another Model 3 Performance owner just ran an 11.58 @ almost 116…

http://dragtimes.com/Tesla-Model-3-Timeslip-30271.html

I gotta get back out there in warmer temps to see if I can match or beat that…

#738

JHM is all in on the RS5 from what it seems. They have already gone 11s on just software and exhaust.

#739

So good! The question is can the RS5 handle more power than the RS4…I would think so / hope so.

Tesla crazy numbers for stock but not tunable.

#740

[quote=“bigserve134,post:739,topic:7706”]
Technically true right now, but who really ever knows what Elon has up his sleeve? I mean they just gave Model 3 owners a power boost at no extra charge. Could happen again, too - one never knows.

The Model 3 Performance is already the quickest car for the $$$ with a factory warranty.

#741

[quote=“zcd1,post:740,topic:7706”]

Would be cool if you could upgrade the battery or add battery packages later on…similar to what he did with the roadster. Instead of supercharging or turbo kit buy more power density, efficient battery pack

#742

Yes much more than the RS4 but its a more complex motor and system. They are solid cars for the most part tho.

#743

[quote=“bigserve134,post:741,topic:7706”]

That would be neat but its the rocket fuel issue. Where the more power you want the more weight you add. There is a breaking point where its not more efficient.

#744

Do you think Tesla has maxed out that ratio with the next gen roadster?

With my car still rotting in the shop (apparently USPS lost the ECM in transit ::slight_smile: ) I am looking at a beater truck to get me by

#745

[quote=“bigserve134,post:744,topic:7706”]
Not at all. Battery technology will continue to improve, as will charging systems.

The new Roadster will have ~600 miles of range, so that level of technology will eventually trickle down to vehicles that mere mortals can afford.

All that said, the Roadster at $250K will be the hypercar/supercar bargain of the century. 8.8 second 1/4 mile and 250+ mph top speed?!??! Nothing else is close in acceleration, and to get a faster top speed requires spending 8-10 times as much. It’s insanity.

#746

yeah I think so. They have kinda reached the max for now. There are much faster ele cars out there. The rimac the NIO EP9 still the battery limits are no different than the fuel limits in say rocket science the more power you need more fuel. Same is true with battery power. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

For those that live in the fantasy land of battery tech. Just take a look at the periodic table. no place left to go and lithium isn’t cheap or super easy.

The fantasy of nothing else being close in acceleration not only isn’t true its just the talking point of the battery hype.

As someone that is of level head. I have been in S P100D with ludicrous mode. Its fast for sure. no doubt. Fun fast and enjoyable… But that’s it… no more power to be had… no adding parts to help it be faster that’s as fast as it gets. Keep in mind. Its super fast… is it as fast as say a Newer hopped up sports car with say bolt ons… its faster than some but its more mid of the pack.

10 second cars are more the norm now than ever. So again. There is lots of excitement but its not like the cars are doing things gas cars can’t do.

Get the tree huggers that are actually causing issues with the environment out of the way. Put up a couple new nuclear power plants and then maybe I would have a different out look. But again from a partial non partisan out looks.

The math is simple. to push the limits of battery tech there are going to be the same restraints as with any power source. The tipping point came much quicker. There are lots of new great options for batt tech but the price is astronomical.

#747

[quote=“justincredible,post:746,topic:7706”]
LOL - your reading comprehension ain’t so great, huh??

I said the Tesla roadster would offer untouchable performance for the price. The Rimac Concept Two is $2.1 million!! In other words, nearly 10x the price of the Tesla Roadster. Is it faster? Who knows, but it damn sure better be for that $$$$$$$!!

The Nio EP9 is “only” $1.2 million, but has a 245 mile maximum range, so less than 50% of the range of the Tesla Roadster for nearly 5x the price. Its listed 0-60 mph time is 2.7 seconds, or almost a second slower than the Roadster. Sure, it will go around a racetrack faster, but the Roadster isn’t intended to be a racecar.

Finally, please name an ICE engined NEW car with a manufacturer’s warranty that costs <$250K and will run an 8.8 second quarter mile.

#748

Perhaps you have some odd mental disorder. 1. I wasn’t 1 talking to you and 2 your arguing your own point. I wasn’t even making a price statement. I was saying there are seriously fast ele cars out there faster than just tesla… so maybe you have a mental or reading disorder.

To further dig into your mental issues. Lets look at the quote you posted.

[quote=“justincredible,post:746,topic:7706”]
Ahhh ok. So show me where today at this point there is a tesla that anyone can go pick up right now that is faster than whats currently available…oh shit that’s right…there isn’t one… Your going down the but but but but maybe when this thing might happen happens maybe rabbit hole.

and again. the second part of the statement. lets say you want to prop up the non existent 250k 8.8 super ele car… ok… how many 8.8 second petrol cars do you want for me to post. because the statement said its not like ele cars are doing things ICE cars can’t do. there are 8 second pump gas cars all day long and you can build them for under 20k not 250k…

I get that in the begging most ELE car guys suffer from the syndrome of new tech. I’ve been around ele cars and ele tech for a while. Lots of great stuff happening but its a bigger picture than most play it up to be. I drove a hybrid Lexus just recently while it was not incredibly fast it showed it self to be better than just a plain ele car and in some ways better than just a ICE car.

If you need to live under the bible of ele cars are the best thing ever. Do your thing. perhaps maybe take a deep breath when I post a bit of common sense sanity and maybe think for a second. Its just a view of reality in the large scale.

#749

I’m not sure whether you’re just being intentionally obtuse or if you actually suffer from a reading comprehension disorder…

Please name 1 NEW electric car that’s quicker than a P100D at anything close to its price… Hint: there aren’t any. (Million+ dollar vaporware Hypercars don’t count)

Please name 1 NEW (unmodified, straight off the showroom floor) ICE car that will run a sub-9 second 1/4 mile.
Hint part 2: there aren’t any now, and there likely never will be.

#750

I’m not sure the part where I mentioned I wasn’t even talking to you or your talking points made sense or not.

So I can try typing slower. But not sure It will work… I… wasn’t talking to you… or even addressing you or your conversation. I was responding to bigserve134 and made a talking point off his question…

But since I was making a point. The point was there are cars faster than the tesla… You went on about price and color and wheel size or whatever made up category you care about.

Again I’m sure whatever disorder you have limits your ability to read. Here is my actual quote again.

[quote]yeah I think so. They have kinda reached the max for now. There are much faster ele cars out there. The rimac the NIO EP9 still the battery limits are no different than the fuel limits in say rocket science the more power you need more fuel. Same is true with battery power. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
[/quote]
I wasn’t talking about price. I was making a point. That there are faster electronic cars because there are… You mentioned the price… I didn’t again I wasn’t even talking to you…

Bust since you made up odd requests. Show me the the new off the showroom floor tesla that you can go pick up today that runs sub - 9s… oh gues what… I’ll give you a hint… there aren’t any…when there are come back until them its vaporware like what seems to be most of your argument.

I’m not here to piss on your ele car party. maybe common sense isn’t something you want to hear or be aware of. The faster cars than tesla wasn’t a dig it was a point on how ele cars are possible. As the question was do I think the roadster was the end of the road for teslas current tech… the answer. The current yes but only current for tesla not for all ele cars.

Not sure where your rage came from. Honestly I don’t even think you took the time to really read what I said. Again I enjoy fast cars. IF they are powered by a windmill I’ll probably think its kinda cool as long as the wind is blowing. I still think steam cars are a really fun idea and something that maybe would be useful again with current tech.

Again I’m not bashing. I’m non partisan but I am a realist I found that that isn’t always popular when people need to see things though just one perspective lens.

#751

LOL.

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#752

[quote=“zcd1,post:740,topic:7706”]

+1 on best performance car for the money. Really, it’s the best performance sedan in the world. There is no competition.

Regarding the recent 5% power update, I’d say it feels more significant than any tune I ever applied to my Audi. The car was no slouch before and it rearranges your guts even more now. At 20% throttle it’s faster than any gasoline car on the planet. It’s disgusting.

Meanwhile, the failing VW group can’t even make 1 e-tron a day. They’re shutting down. The Mission-E is just a Panamera with a larger pack. It’s looking bleak over there.

http://brusselstimes.com/brussels/15017/battery-shortage-forces-audi-brussels-to-slow-down-production

#753

[quote=“zcd1,post:745,topic:7706”]

The only improvement could be discharge batteries faster for more power right…however that comes at the risk of a big BOOOOM.

I forgot about those Rimacs. You know someone will put those head to head when / if the tesla roadster is released to the public.

That’s true, with a simple tune the RS3/TT-RS are 10 sec cars…upgrade turbos and now 9 sec cars! It’s pretty nutty. But how much better would they be if they were true hybrids given that they are as fast as P3D stock. Combine that initial electric torque with that audi straight 5 !

It’s weird how cultish Tesla owners are in general; if youre not with them youre against them. If Saki were still around I wonder how his demeanor would be lol.

RS3 direct competitor of the P3D. I think all manufacturers should be able to update their cars like Tesla is in the 21st century. Tesla has the market cornered hoarding the battery metals lol.

#754

Youre still clearly missing it. Not only was I not directing my comments to you. You were carring on about a point I Wasn’t even making. So sure you can comment all you want but try keeping up with the ACTUAL conversation…