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I don’t agree with everything you have said in this thread, but this comment I am 110% behind!!!
that’s pretty interesting. Good to see it. Wish they’d account for the battery production to get a true picture of the footprint. Tesla would cry foul of course and try to get you to focus only on operation, not production of the vehicle or other external factors. Meanwhile in their own analysis of the environmental footprint of gasoline powered cars, they factor in all sorts of external factors like the search/explo/devo/transportation of oil and add that to the to the environmental footprint of gasoline cars to help their case.
This was a funny excerpt from Tesla’s rebuttal to the situation. Did they have a moron in grade 11 write this?
[quote=some moron at Tesla with no concept of math or the English language]That means an electric car like the Model S has almost three times lower CO2 per km than an equivalent gas-powered car.
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how can anything be ‘three times lower’?
I also thought it was interesting that Tesla claims the car uses 181 watt hours per km…meanwhile actual testing of the car revealed it was 444 watt hours per km. That’s almost 3 times. Maybe the Tesla person made a little subconscious Freudian slip lol.
Just as they lie profusely about the range of the cars, they lie about the power consumption per km driven. Sounds a little like the engineers at VW who pulled the diesel test scam.
/Thread well said
I put a deposit on a Model 3. We’ll see what they come up with over the next 36 months. I expect it to have a range like the BMW 3 series, from $35k to $75k.
They’re looking at about 200,000 pre-orders for delivery in 2018. It’s going to come directly out of these players:
2015 US Sales:
BMW - 404k
MB - 380k
Audi - 202k
Porsche - 52k
*refundable
the stats on how many people who put a refundable tiny deposit down actually go through are terrible, especially for cars that we know nothing about price wise.
In other words lots of people saw $35, 000 and thought they’d graduate from their Ford fusion or toyota prius. But when they find out its actually about $55,000 for one with nice seats…and it’s not going to be ready till 2022 because Tesla doesn’t have the capacity to deliver 20,000 cars by 2018 let alone 200, 000, they will mostly bail.
But in the interim they will smugly announce that they’ve ‘put a deposit down’ as if that qualifies them as a wealthy environmental hero.
I think it’s going to collect everyone who buys a C300, an A4, a 328i, or is ready to grow up and graduate from driving a GTI. Or someone who can afford more than a loaded Prius but thinks spending $100k on a Model S is obscene.
The follow through rate will be at least 75% in the US. The X factor is whether Audi responds by lowering the A4 price ($50k lol) and targeting those reservation holders. They have 26-30 months to put me in a car before Tesla delivers me one.
The manufacturers will respond by positioning their entry level luxury car hybrid models against the Tesla, insisting you can do a pure electric commute with a 22 kilowatt battery in the trunk. Those will be Tesla cells in the German cars by 2024.
Don’t love he looks oh the model 3 but I guess we will see how it is reviewed
You make a lot of shit up.
‘the follow through factor will be 75%’
‘the a4 is $50,000’
What colour is the sky in the world you live in?
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LOL. Where are you pulling these numbers from west. I know 4 people who put deposits down. 3 of them won’t be able to actually afford the car when it comes out. The other guy will get it because it’s cool.
So based on my extensive research there will be a 25% follow through. At least I provided some real world data when I made up that number 
You can get a front wheel drive A4 without the digital dash for only $40k? Didn’t know that!
They’re closing in on 300,000 preorders. Even if there is only 50% follow through (unlikely) they will sell more cars than Audi does in the US in 2018. New car buying is a zero sum game. The person who buys a Model 3 is skipping an Audi/BMW/MB/Porsche purchase.
I don’t normally agree with West, but an A4 Prestige all wheel drive start at 48K. Tick off a couple of options and your over 50K - which I think is ridiculous. Of course I’m sure an Tesla 3 with all the bells and whistles will be around the same price.
Can’t wait to see the pricing on the B9 S4.
Yeah but a $52k Tesla is going to have AWD and ludicrous speed, good for 0-60 in about 3 seconds flat. The A4 is 0-60 in 6.1 seconds. Then you have to to APR like it’s 1999 and tune it, because Lyin VW will only tune the software if it’s for fooling the govt.
so you’re making shit up and you admit it right? Your $50,000 A4 entry price is bullshit, right? Just confirming. Because it’s funny, you boast the $35,000 Model 3 entry price…which is 2 wd and is stripped which you seem to forget. Then when confronted with reality, that the A4 starts at the same price as the non-existent, 3 year away Tesla, you complain the A4 that is the same price is 2wd.
Facts are like kryptonite for you, and it’s fun watching you wilt.
Yeah a self driving car with an 18" multimedia screen that is faster than the A4 for $35k is a stripper? Why is Audi charging for the digital dash? Why is Audi charging for assisted driving features? Why is Audi charging for quattro?
The facts are you can get a Model 3 with AWD for $3500 - $4000. You will be able to get it with a high performance inverter for an additional charge. And it will go 0-60 in 3.0 to 3.4 seconds equipped this way. And this performance model will cost less than the base price of a B9 S4.
The fact is an A4 Premium Plus quattro with tech package, sport package, paint, 19" wheels is $48,575. If you want the full LED headlights you need the prestige.
Everything is faster than an A4…who cares? The morons lining up for a Model 3 don’t give a shit about how fast they are, they just want to say “I own a Tesla and I foolishly think I’m saving the Earth” they don’t realize they are never going to get what they actually think for $35k or the fact that car may be absolute worthless once the batteries are junk. None of those prospective buyers will be able to afford to overhaul the car in 5 years when they finally pay it off.
German manufacturers have a pricing model of entry level luxury to motorsport cars, which is being disrupted by Tesla. A Tesla needs a big fuse to go fast; a German car needs a hand built V8 with a million parts that can spin to 9000 RPM. I think the Tesla buyers in line are looking for an iPhone accessory, rather than how to save the earth.
Tesla has an 8 year infinite mile warranty on the battery.
A replacement battery should be under $10,000 and early people will want to replace them in 8 or 9 years, but thrifty people can wait much longer like 12 years at reduced range. The Tesla maintenance plan is $600 a year. You pay for tires. Brakes can last 100,000 miles because the regeneration system is doing the braking. No fluids like the $401 oil changes my Porsche needs.
An Audi requires a lot more than $10,000 of maintenance and repairs and gasoline over 8 years. A refurbished Tesla should have very high resale value. I’m talking well over 55% residual value, compared to 38% for an Audi (2009 A4 sell for $14k today as the 2017 models are coming out). It’s going to have the same utility as a brand new Tesla. And nowhere near the repair liability of an 8 year old German car. It’s more like a garage door motor than a lawn mower (ICE).
The reason I justified a deposit is, it’s a call option on a tax credit. When they reach 200,000 units sold it drops from $7500 to $3500. My reservation spot should guarantee me the larger credit.
I get free charging at work also, so I’d never pay for fuel ever again. I’d just plug in at the office every 3 weeks. But it’s kind of a joke because reserved parking spots cost money in cities, so I wouldn’t say I’m saving.
325,000 reservations.