New from the factory vs new from the factory a regular petrol car (in this case A7) is cleaner than Tesla and has a huge head start according to his article
Over the vehicle lifetime (decade in article) “the Tesla will emit 34 tonnes and the Audi 35. So over a decade, the Tesla will save the world 1.2 tonnes of CO₂.”
All those estimates go out the window when you realize a Tesla will have 500,000 to 700,000 miles on it before it goes to the landfill. These numbers just aren’t possible with a car that has on board powerplants.
On what? the chassis?
You really enjoy just making stuff up.
IF you look at diesel trucks 500,000 and over is normal and Im talking the stadard trucks not semi
what onboard powerplant? It is a battery
He’s referring to combustion engines as onboard powerplants (that 500k to 700k miles isn’t possible with combustion engines) but Justin highlighted that diesels can reach those numbers as well.
I know a couple of mk4 TDI Jettas around here that have over 500,000 miles on them. The sales part of the car industry has made sure that we change cars cyclically, not the engineering part.
Elon Musk has said several times the Tesla powertrain is designed to last 1,000,000 miles. They will keep swapping the powertrains in existing cars (free of charge) as they make improvements to their inverter and electric motor design.
Mark my words, in 2023 a 10 year old refurbished Model S will be selling for over $60,000 and look brand new.
A 10 year old Audi A8 W12 is selling for about $15,000 with 100k miles on it.
From my experience people who own a Tesla car, also own at least one other car
All these people live fairly close to work, work in IT and make good money
They use Tesla for daily commute which at maximum is 30 miles a day to work and back home, which is at maximum 7800 miles a year
I highly doubt their Tesla is going to ever see more than 150K on the odometer even with the second owner
Here, I pulled some numbers out of my ass as well, still a better guess than
[quote]All those estimates go out the window when you realize a Tesla will have 500,000 to 700,000 miles on it before it goes to the landfill.
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Cars go to junk yards when they are old and/or not working, not when they reach certain mileage
What are the top 10 reasons a car goes to the junkyard? It was crashed and totaled. The transmission died. The AWD transfer case died. No cylinder pressure. A clusterfuck of bad alternator, bad battery, electrical gremlins and a capitulation of “I’m not paying another repair bill”. Fuel system and fuel pump issues or rough idling. At some point a brake job is more than the car is worth.
I just don’t see any of these sending a Tesla to the junkyard. Especially if you let the car drive itself on the highways.
I drive tons of Teslas at work and the high millage ones always have problems, A lot of times there is some type of error on the main display for something. Lots of suspension errors.
-Their proximity sensors are the worst, half the time you walk up to one it doesn’t realize you’re there so the stinkin’ door handles don’t pop out.
-EVERY single Tesla with more than 15k miles that I have driven feels old. The main problem is the way the interior is put together; the seats rattle and squeak, the dash vibrates, and the surfaces just look worn in general, way more than they should given the millage.
-When going up an uneven surface, like an inclined driveway, the body twists and makes terrible noises.
-When new the transition from throttle to regenerative braking is smooth but older ones buck and clank a lot when you get off the throttle.
Maybe I just happen to drive all the bad ones, but I drive 15 or so different examples every week so I think I have a good sample size to survey
Hey look! It’s the future already!
Used 2013 Tesla Model S
38,385 miles
$49,000
VIN 5YJSA1CG8DFP04992
AT Car ID AT-18A8836D
You’re such a fucking moron. There’s a few hundred 3 year old Model S for sale for under $60,000 today, nevermind 7 years from now.
But keep it up, it’s fun watching you look like a moron so consistently.
You seem to be forgetting that Tesla sucks at making cars. Go read Consumer Reports to see what life is like as a Tesla owner. The thousands of respondants already voted on that…and it ain’t pretty. Tesla, if they sold enough cars to be rated, would be in the bottom 5% of car makers for reliability and quality levels.
In other words,they sell battery powered pieces of shit for $100,000-$130,000 and morons like you eat it up and then try to force-feed them to anyone who will listen. Which is weird because you don’t even drive one. You’ve put a pretend deposit down on one that doesn’t exist yet.
FYI, to get a Model 3 to 0-60 in 3.0 seconds, it will need a P85D type setup from the model S. TEsla sells that nearly identical looking Model S for $120,000. Are you really fucking dumb enough to believe they will sell the Model 3 equivalent for $52,000? You’re insane.
The Model 3, loaded with the massive battery, will be around $85,000 minimum, and will certainly be quick, but think B9 S4 quick, not RS7.
You really are as thick as a shit in the neck of a bottle.
…but it’s all free guys, Tesla will give out free electricity and free replacement parts forever…
Saki I said a refurbished model with a new battery. Not a used 60 battery. Since no one else is making electric cars in volume, Tesla is out there creating huge deflation among their own models. Early versions of Model S lack features baked in the new ones, like autopilot and better seats, so they are disrupting themselves. The used car market will need to see the average sales price of Model 3 and the gigafactory discounted refurbishig cost of Model S. Until then Model S resales will be a little weak but they will rebound as it all becomes real. Like those stupid VW Westfalia campers that sell for $60k. People realize the longevity and utility.
I’m generally not a fan of aluminum body frame construction. I like aluminum or magnesium alloy body panels. Model 3 will be a steel body on frame, so it should weigh the same as the Model S despite being smaller.
sorry…you think a 10 year old car with a million electrical gremlins and problems, and a worn out interior, bent panels, chipped to fuck paint from a few hundred thousand miles…rusted rotten piece of shit everything, but a new battery…is going to be worth $10,000 MORE than a 3 year old version of the same car? RTFS. The 2-3 year old Teslas are already selling for $50,000-60,000 TODAY. Not 7 years from now. TODAY. I don’t give a shit if it gets a new battery in 10 years, there’s no way it’s going to appreciate you retard.
Again…you’re a fucking moron.
If you think electric cars and ICE cars have the same depreciation profile, you are a very linear thinker. A brand new 2016 $70k model S is better in every way than the original signature series $130k Model S. I said they disrupted themselves. Your evidence of a discountinued $65k 60 series battery selling for $50k isn’t very compelling. It actually sounds like a pretty good residual.
Aluminum doesn’t rust - last time I checked it doesn’t contain iron.
actually according to you, electric cars APPRECIATE…even though the data I posted above shows you’re full of shit
Also, since you’ve never worked on a car, I understand your ignorance about rust, but go look underneath an Audi S8 with an all aluminium body on a lift and tell me if you see any rust. You will. Hella rust. Nuts, bolts, suspension parts, etc will all be rusted to fuck after a few years. Yet you think this will appreciate??? lololol
keep it up dummy!
You proved that the 36 month residual on a discontinued first run Tesla is over 75%. There isn’t a steel exhaust, steel differential bell housings, steel fasteners, etc on a Tesla so I don’t see how your A8 example is relevant. Actually, it is relevant because all of that rusted broken crap drags the resale from $120k to $12k in 10 years.
OK so you went from saying no rust on a TESLA to saying it won’t have rusty ICE related parts.
Translation: you realise you were full of shit with your no rust comments so you’re dancing. Great.
So yes, Teslas are rusty after a couple of years like everything else, and after 10 years, they’re horrid rusty pieces of shit underneath. And the interior is still worn and torn…and the paint is still chipped to fuck…and those beautiful aluminium panels are either dented/dinged/banged up and banged out. So no, the car isn’t going to appreciate in year 10 vs. what it was worth in year 3. Moron.
As for depreciation, again you’re lying.
You’re assuming the Tesla sold for $49,000? You realise that what someone asks for in a ‘for sale’ ad is not a determinant of value…right? You should generally use actual sold data for that. You should also use actual paid-for price data to determine the other end of that calculation instead of just making shit up.
A Tesla with the 60 battery in 2013 was about $70,000-75,000. If that one listed or any of the other dozens at that price sell for about $45,000 (fair guess) that points to 35% to 40% depreciation in 3 years. Or in other words…entirely industry average. A little more than average actually.
Man, mythbusters could do an entire 2hr special based on 1 day of your bullshit forum posts.