It just doesn't work: Tesla

General Discussion
#401

I think you’re just uncomfortable with anything that might be a challenge for Tesla. And a software update isn’t goign to avoid a recall for a seatbelt anchor or an airbag problem. Funny thing is, they have no dealers. Imagine if they have 3 million cars on the road, and need to bring 350,000 of them in for a simple recall? How are they going to do it? It would take them 8 years to get through everyone at the 5 service dealers lol.

You haven’t addressed my OP yet. Seriously. It’s pretty funny that you’re the biggest poster in this thread, yet you haven’t even addressed the thread yet. You just ramble on and rave about Elon Musk.

The cars are subsidized at the company level
The cars are subsidized at the buyer level
The cars are no better for the environment than gasoline cars
The cars are overpriced for what they are
The company still loses a fortune and will continue to do so for a dogs age

None of these things have changed. It’s a model that doesn’t work.

Since this thread started, 4 major automakers have announced launch dates for electric vehicles. So the monopoly other than the gee whiz and the Nissan Leaf is vanishing. On top of this, the troubles of being an American car company have surfaced, with Tesla being at the bottom of the Consumer Reports reliability survey (the gold standard in automotive quality and reliability rankings).

It’s certainly interesting that the cars are fast as hell and have some luxury. It’s smart because that’s the only way you can sell them (go up against other overpriced luxobeasts). But the novelty is wearing off, as is the finish on the interior plastics. Now they’re up against it, and again they’re in a shit business. You seem to think they’re selling ipods not $100,000 cars that aren’t working. That’s understandable. Most people who fall in love with something are unable to see the full spectrum of facts about that thing.

#402

I’m optomistic because I like all cars. If one fucking thing is deficient about Model 3 you will hear it from me first. I understand you don’t want to be first. I’m not afraid to be first. I don’t think it’s a trap. It’s just a mass market gadget that happens to be a zero emmissions zero fuel cost car. I’m happy to take the deduction, and if I don’t like it I’ll sell it. If I do like that is great because it will be the safest car ever made. Lots of idiots on the roads.

#403

The part I really don’t get is in Sakimlogic, Tesla could release a gasoline car and announce they did it to be kinder to the environment.

#404

It’s better when you don’t lie.

At no point did I say that electric cars are worse for the environment. I just said they’re not better.

Again you prove that you’re terrible at critical thinking.

#405

That is amazing that they have an exactly equal impact! We can add that to the number of ways you are wrong about the same thing. Keep them coming.

#406

stop lying. It’s all in writing moron

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#407

Seems that Tesla still loses billions even though they like slave labour at less than half of minimum wage, and 1/10th of typical american contractor pricing. Great management!

http://fortune.com/2016/05/16/tesla-cheap-labor/

Elon Musk is expressing faux outrage. He’d never do that right?

oops

http://usuncut.com/class-war/elon-musks-solarcity-exploits-prison-labor-manufacture-taxpayer-subsidized-solar-panels/

#408

oh look…Singapore did some math and decided Teslas are actually pretty shit for the environment. Looks like ‘free and clean’ electricity isn’t so free or clean in reality.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/un-body-on-tesla/2589878.html

#409

it is exhausting being right about everything

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-07/tesla-will-become-a-700-billion-gorilla-top-investor-suggests

#410

No one can claim to be right until things have actually occurred. Just an FYI.

“Baron, chairman and chief executive officer of Baron Capital Management, is one of Tesla’s biggest investors. His firm has amassed a stake in the electric-car company worth about $325 million, or 1 percent of its total market value.”

“His comments on Tuesday sent shares up 6.2 percent, the most since February.”

Absolutely no vested interest here…

#411

You meant to say that it’s exhausting being aligned with a nobody hedge fund Manager.

Gotcha.

There are 50 PMs who think Tesla is a ponzi scheme. Guess you forgot about them?

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/05/06/tesla-plunges-2-5-billion-hedge-fund-shorts-stock/

[quote]Breitbart News reported last month that Tesla was losing $19,810 on each car it sold and hemorrhaging negative cash flow of $51,344 on each vehicle it built.
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#412

Westy is going to marry Jennifer Lawrence next week.

So.

Who here who just read that feels jealous that Westy is marrying Jennifer Lawrence next week?

#413

I want the suv its ugly and a sleeper Right haha

#414

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YV2DL

Seems in order for Tesla to do a warranty repair you have to sign a non disclosure agreement. What a fucking smokescreen.

NHTSA safety complaint to warn the general public? YOU BETTER NOT!

#415

Tesla, built like crap and in a rush. But don’t tell anyone, especially the NHTSA. Seatbelts not properly attached to pre-tensioners? Wtf? I think even GM managed to get that one right. Oh wait, no GM fucked up that one too. How is GM still in business?

Anyway, back to Tesla, seems like they don’t want people to know they’re not actually the perfect flawless car company most think they are.

#416

One guy broke a bushing in his Model S. I tore a bushing on my Audi control arm. Audi didn’t replace mine for free. Tesla did, and Tesla services 100% of their cars. They’re not in some conspiracy to hide these problems either. You can’t hide something that isn’t happening.

In other news the 2017 A4 is fucking awesome and I will probably buy an S4 before Tesla delivers a Model 3. Rented it for a week from Audi on Demand.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/d1c2feab7b891f8add8927c536c2a511.jpg

#417

Spoke to a fellow about his Tesla. Interesting because he lives here in the greater Toronto area.

He said a few things.

First off, he loves his car. Says it’s the best car he has owned (he’s owned a few decent brands in the past).
Second, he admitted the economics of buying a tesla don’t work. He’s not saving anything and in fact it will cost him a considerable amount of money vs. buying a similar benz or Audi, and he’s fine with that.
Third, he said his ‘fuel’ bill for driving has gone from about $300 a month to $60 a month (gasoline vs. charging at home). He also mentioned that it cost him a couple grand to get the charger thing installed though, so that adds another element that people ignore. Overall over 5 years he will save about $10,000-13,000 on fuel…and he mentioned that this is less than the premium he paid.
Regarding range anxiety he had an interesting view. He said ‘if I run the battery down, I’ll just get towed to a charger. Then I’ll put 50-100 miles of charge on in half an hour and be on my way’. I’m not sure if that’s how it actually works…there were some horror stories about tesla’s with their batteries being depleted being un-towable, so I’m not surewhat you’d have to do.

It was interesting to hear an unbiased realist who actually owns the car. When I asked him if he’d own shares in the company he immediately said no, so that was interesting. He seems to recognize the title of the thread. But he likes his car.

#418

Tesla has one of the “Supercharger?” stations in my town at a local Bass Pro and shopping center. There are restaurants and a movie theater in the same parking lot.

Could technically go there and hang out while the Tesla gets charged.

I am not well versed in Tesla so I don’t know if these public chargers are common or not. But if they are, you could save quite a bit of coin doing that.

#419

if it’s 10 bucks for about 250 miles, and you do 15,000 miles a year, ‘free’ charging only saves you about $600/year vs. charging at home

Not huge.

Oh…and you had to pay $30,000 more than a similar Audi/Mercedes/BMW/Jaguar to get into the Tesla. If you keep it for 5 years, and the car depreciates 50% over that period, you just spent an extra $15,000 to save $10,000 over that period on gasoline. And the government had to subsidize it by taking tax dollars from all of your neighbours. Oh…and the environment is still fucked because your battery and your plugging in fuck the environment similar to the gasoline engines.

As the title of the thread says, it just doesn’t work.

#420

It’s been suggested that Teslas won’t depreciate.

However…you never know when you’re going to run into:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEhqiCD27E