http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-secret-special-deal-for-some-owners-2017-7
Turning every tesla owner into a inside salesman…Elon is a genius.
Edit: Maybe I should buy that Tesla stock…
Edit: Successfully refer 235 people toward buying a Tesla and you get a free next gen Tesla roadster :o
it’s something on the list for sure.
RS7
E63S
SQ5 (give to wife, take back Tesla)
Range Rover Sport
Porsche Cayenne e-hybrid (PHEV with about 15-20 miles range and the S4 supercharged V6 as well)
Not sure what else should be on the list. I’ll start a new thread. Wish they’d sold the Allroad here with a nicer engine like a 3.0T turbodiesel or supercharged. If they did, I’d buy one of those.
Was thinking of keeping the wagon as a summer fishing mule. That won’t limit the purchases. Just park it outside for the summer, and store it in the winter when it’s not needed.
It actually has 98.4 kwh usable capacity. ‘having’ 102.4 doesn’t mean much if you can’t use it, that’s why I asked what usable capacity was
so my car is 70D with 68.8
the currently available cars are 75 with 72.6 and 100 with 98.4
the cost to go from 75 to 100 is pretty huge. To go P is outrageous. Seems like they should ramp up the 75 to further the gap between Model 3 and Model S. Maybe have an 85 and 100 in the model S or 90 and 110 depending where they go.
Buying a 2015 P85D is looking pretty interesting.
It comes standard as a 0-60 in 3.1-3.2 seconds car, and runs mid 11 second quarter mile times trapping around 115 so it’s basically a crazy torque, 400 whp car. They’re around $100,000 used here now. CAD. In the US I imagine they’re in the mid 60s to mid 70s?
The amount usable seems to change with software. My point is mainly that the 100kW battery pack seems to be a far superior design to the 75kW pack, with about an 80 pound weight penalty. So yes, it’s probably worth $10k more. Then they’re bundling in a better inverter, air suspension, etc. and charging $20k more.
I don’t agree about buying a used P85D, unless you are talking about country specific issues with new car and used car market deltas. I think the no options 2017 75D is a much better car than the loaded 2015 P85D I drove. It felt just as fast (when not in insane mode), and was actually as nice as a German car inside. The 2015 interior is shit. I’m not saying the 2017 is perfect, but it’s at least acceptable or up to standard. The new leather options are pretty awesome, and the new center console looks so much better than the old one. Glass roof is now standard and the old front grill looks hideous in comparison to the new body color shape.
a 2017 75D is not even within a country mile of a P85D insane mode or not. And everyone who owns a P85D drives it in insane mode 100% of the time so I’m not even sure why that’s up for discussion. That’s like pulling 3 of your coil packs on your S4 so that you can only drive around with 3 cylinders. Why on earth would you.
As for the interior, the 2017 interior is the same interior as the 2015 interior. They haven’t changed it other than making the headrests move. So again I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Are you perhaps thinking of the older seats vs. the newer seats? or the addition of a drop in centre console? 2015 cars were available with Next Generation seats made by recaro which are the seats in the newer cars. The centre console is a $1200 accessory you can buy. There’s actually one or two aftermarket ones that are a bit better laid out.
Glass roof is not really a big feature. it’s a sunroof that doesn’t open (and likes to crack…see the forums). I like a sunroof which is an upgrade vs. the glass roof. My car has a sunroof and I’d only order one with a sunroof or glass roof as I need the headroom.
The front fascia on the new cars is a bit like a ken doll’s genitals…kind of weird and too smoothe. I don’t dislike it though. It’s a marginal difference really. There’s certainly an element of dating the car about the older black oval grille but It’s again nothing I would blink at.
a 75D is about as quick as a stock B8 S4.
a P85D is about as quick as a stock RS7.
it’s not even remotely close.
Or to put it into context would you rather drive a 2 year old RS7 or a brand new A7? both are about the same price. Same goes for a new 75D and a 2015 P85D.
I see used Teslas all over the place in the bay. Like hundreds per day. I can observe the manufacturing quality by vintage. The early cars are beat to hell. The door handles don’t close. The trim is falling off. The doors are bent on the hinge.
2 years in Tesla time is 9 years in Audi time, in terms of build quality improvement. I honestly have reservations about buying a December 2017 build. 2015 was a fucking disaster.
Our 2015 ‘disaster’ car has been great other than 2 problems that were pretty quickly sorted
It’s good that you can observe teslas in your area. Thing is you’re not alone. Anyone living in a wealthy, liberal city sees tons of them every day. I too have observed a ridiculous number of them now as they are everywhere in Oakville. In fact I’ve owned one for 4 months. Imagine that for perspective!
Your constant use of superlatives and hyperbole makes your commentary easy to tune out, and it makes your arguments easy to dismantle. There’s no subjectivity to it, and it shows you’re dead set on making a point without actually entertaining the facts. Our car is 2 years old, has 20,000 miles on it, and looks brand new. There’s literally no sign of any of the shit you’re yapping about. The stuff you’re talking about (automatic door handles sticking etc)…those are 2012-2013 problems that were rectified ages ago. We have something here called winter that is harder on a car than any moderate west coast climate will ever see. Yet our car is still mint. I don’t hear of any of these problems from the dozens of 2014, 2015, 2016 owners i’ve met. Frankly you’re full of shit.
While I agree the company is a fraction of a 100 year old established german car maker, I think it would take an absolute moron to not understand that.
I should also mention that I’m as picky as anyone and other than missing handles in the ceiling for passengers to hold on to and a better system for storage up front, the car is excellent.
You should try owning one. Then maybe we’ll take your rants seriously.
How the fucking tables have turned. Yeah, I will try owning one. The longer I wait, the better and less expensive the car gets. I feel like if I buy a 75D today they’re going to make the 100D standard tomorrow.
Model 3 prices and options sheet should land in the next 2 weeks. I still want to see and drive one.
Honestly the 75D is too much car in terms of speed. I could be happy with a much slower electric car. It would blow the doors off a C63 AMG from a highway roll. The reaction time alone puts it half a second ahead.
Tesla updated their marketing and admitted the 75D is 0-60 in 4 seconds.
not really for me. I still think the business is ridiculous. I still think they’re overpriced. I still think the whole thing is bonkers.
[quote] Yeah, I will try owning one. The longer I wait, the better and less expensive the car gets. I feel like if I buy a 75D today they’re going to make the 100D standard tomorrow.
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unlike the internal combustion engine where adding 2-3% to HP levels constitutes a significant improvement to justify a customer trading ‘up’ to the better new one, the electric car scene is in its infancy. Range, efficiency, power/acceleration are increasing at an exponential rate right now while the cost is being halved in short order.
If having the latest greatest is important to you don’t buy a tesla because you’re always going to be behind the curve. If having something excellent and pleasing is enough for you, sure, buy one.
[quote]Honestly the 75D is too much car in terms of speed. I could be happy with a much slower electric car. It would blow the doors off a C63 AMG from a highway roll. The reaction time alone puts it half a second ahead.Tesla updated their marketing and admitted the 75D is 0-60 in 4 seconds.
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I don’t think that’s accurate. I think you’d find they’re pretty equal from 20-30 mph and that the C would fly by by the time you hit 50 mph and traction wasn’t an issue.
The 75D is about as good at acceleration as my old RS4 and I’ve raced a few C63 owners (6.2). I had a quick jump on them down low but once we got going they flew by.
The reason tesla ‘updated their marketing and admitted’ that it was much quicker is because they also changed the car. Maybe you didn’t hear but they put the performance motor in all 75D cars now which helps it quite a bit. That’s why it’s a bunch quicker. so if you buy a 2016 or early 2017 75D you get the old tech but if you buy a new order today you get the new part.
The thing about the “dynamics” in German cars isn’t marketing bullshit. The reason all of those 500HP cars get 27 MPG instead of 17 MPG like they used to is because they spin down to 150WHP when you’re on the highway. Drop into 7th gear, turn the turbos off, turn off 3-4 cylinders, turn off one injector on each cylinder, etc. When you punch it, it takes a second for all of that shit to wake up again. The power curve is like a big long ‘S’ shape.
The Tesla is a very linear potentiometer. Every throttle input is like a dyno pull. So it’s always a 500WHP direct drive car, with torque every time not just when you’re in sport plus mode on a track.
people tend to be in S mode or AMG mode or M mode when racing (your whole point was that this was a highway race). So there’s that.
This is why everyone thinks your retarded. C63 will shit all over 75D at 60mph+
I shit on P85Ds at 60mph+
I’m always in sport mode with ESP off unless there is a blizzard
I’m not talking about a race fellas. I’m talking about seeing a highway exit and wanting to accelerate towards it. The slowest Tesla does it with so much force so quickly that the blood rushes out of your head. The C63S needs to convert from a software-limited C250 dynamically to a C63S again. By the time it fucking does all of that I’ve lost interest. The new German sedans are satisfaction thieves. All of the numbers are there on paper but I can’t quite say why I’m ambivalent something that costs $75k. It’s kind of like having a Blackberry in 2010. There’s nothing wrong it with it, but then you try iPhone 4 and realize it’s going in a different direction.
I still think the Model S before December 2016 is shit. The white pleather is the only good interior. The steering on the P85D was shit. It’s a lot better now, but maybe that was just a software update.
no…no you were talking about a race. In fact that’s exactly what you were talking about. Pay attention.
Hold – I’m not ready to race yet. GERMAN CAR - TRANSFORM. Accessing DYNAMIC MODE. Processing. Processing. Turbos are at 70% capacity. 80% capacity. 90% capacity. READY PLAYER 2.
Honestly the B9 S4/S5 put me to sleep at 100MPH. I wanted to love it. Test drove it 3 times. Rented it from Audi on Demand. I just can’t. It’s a bad sports car and it’s a bad luxury car. Goose the throttle and it does nothing. It’s not sure whether it’s supposed to be in economy car mode, or if you want to “go fast”. When it does go fast it’s boring.
The only B9 I love is the Allroad, because it’s good at being efficient (37 MPG) and comfortable fully weighted with passengers and gear (borderline luxurious).
What I’m personally debating is an Allroad for about $48k, or a Tesla 75D for about $72k. The Model 3 with the 75kw pack may tip the scales for me, by equalizing with the Allroad out the door price.
Tesla changed the pricing and packaging again. Now a 75D is $74k and includes air suspension and the best LED lights. The premium package is now $5000 and includes the sound system.
My build would be about $70,300 net of federal rebate.
I think they changed a few things. Basically the little packages that lots of people wanted are getting lumped into the premium package whose price is escalating.
i.e. premium high fidelity sound
subzero weather
those are now part of premium package which has gone from $3000 to $5000 or something. It’s a better deal if someone was going to get those things anyway. The audio upgrdae used to be about $2800 alone or something.
If you want a government rebate you hsould move to Ontario. We get $14,000.
Isn’t Toronto more expensive than San Francisco right now because a decent apartment is $2 million, up 100% from last year?
The part that makes no sense to me on the Tesla is the 100D is $23,000 more expensive as equipped. Is it really like $23 per battery cell? It should be like $4 per cell.
Here is someone selling a 5kW pack for $1400.
Tesla stocks have been dropping hard over the past hour.