-2% isn’t really a lot given the implied volatility of a stock up 60% in 12 months.
not quite. housing was up about 60% in the past 3 years to end of April however May-June saw prices drop 15%. Government stepped in and taxed foreign buyers.
Model 3 details are out. $35k for a base car at 220 miles. $44k for a long range car at 310 miles. $47k for a long range dual motor car in 2018. $5k for a premium package with 12 ways seats and glass roof. $2k for 19" wheels. A loaded car is almost $60k. $8k for autopilot but you gotta be nuts to let that thing drive - the technology is 20 years premature.
The question for me is: Tesla model 3 for $55,700 (later) or Model S for $64,300 (now)?
So it’s actually $68,000 for a well equipped high range model 3 (which is very software limited, acceleration wise as a 310 mile battery is enough to send a 4000 lb car to 60mph in 2.8 seconds with AWD and 3.8 seconds with RWD)
autopilot works very well. You have to be nuts to not take advantage of it. Sounds like you don’t understand how it works, which is understandable as a non Tesla-owner.
Turn it on and then go to sleep? You’re a fucking moron who deserves to crash. Turn it on and have it aid you on your drive? I fail to see the problem. It manages your speed, it manages your lane position for those moments of inattention, and it works extremely well. If it does something you don’t like you’re holding the wheel and you’re in control. Not using autopilot would be like puling the fuse from your anitlock brakes or removing airbags…it makes no sense for you to be less safe.
High end MB, Audi models have had the speed management (adaptive cruise control) and they will all have lane keep this generation (S class has for a few years)
The fact that some people are dumb enough to turn on autopilot then to shirk their responsibilities as driver and assume that the car will do everything reflects badly not on Tesla, but on owners who don’t read the manual (or the agreement they signed when they activated it). Anyone who doesn’t use autopilot is either
a) not able to afford it (understandable, it’s expensive on the new cars)
b) too stupid to be allowed to drive a car without autopilot
c) irrationally scared of new things
d) unlikely to ever be on a highway
So, you need autopilot on your Model 3. Or Model S. Unless you’re a)b)c)d). Which is it?
interesting prediction…on two counts, both over a year ago
Point taken about autopilot cruise control. They’ve ripped and replaced the sensor hardware twice all while claiming additional capability was 100% software updatable, so I’m understandably cautious. I don’t doubt they’ll have new cameras again in 2019.
I think I’m looking at two categories of cars, and two paths within each. Category 1 is Tahoe hauler and includes a base 75D or a loaded Allroad, both on Pirelli snow tires. Category 2 is a sports sedan and includes Model 3 or RS3.
I have ruled out S4 and S5/RS5 sportback. I’ve ruled out every BMW ever made.
The Boxster is highly entertaining to me on the street, while Audi and Tesla launch their new cars and cycle through a few production years. I’m loving the JRZ touring suspension, the Apple Carplay, and the Borla exhaust. When does the B9.5 A4 start? MY19? MY19.5? MY20?
the cannibilization of the Model S market by Model 3 release will potentially make the Model 3 a good purchase. The S prices are lofty today for a few reasons:
- it’s the only way to buy a Tesla today that’s reasonably prices
- it’s the only way to buy a Tesla that isn’t hideous (Model X = yeuch)
- there are hardly any of them around
- there are no good electric cars other than TEslas that make you feel like you’re in a luxury car
If the Model 3 is as good as they say and if Elon Musk’s twitter feed is as telling as I think it is where he kept rambling on about how the model S is way better and if you want luxury you should buy a model S don’t wait for the 3…(which screams the Model 3 is going to make you wonder why you needed a Model S) I think the 3 could be a really good option
Would you pick a $60k Model 3 or a $60k RS3 dynamic plus?
Yes. definitely were talking about a race.
E) none of the above; I prefer to have full control, in fact, all this modern “safety” tech that they are loading cars with is annoying me. The automatic parallel parking feature takes the cake invented for the retard who cant park. Auto braking, lane assist…all retarded.
Tesla killed it aesthetically with the model S, whereas all the other models look like shit. Maybe the next roadster in 2020 will be a decent sports car?
I think the only downside of the safety features on cars now is the insurance premiums. Losing your mirror used to be a $500 job. Now it’s like $5000 because they have to get one with the sensors in it, align it, and reprogram it into the system. Even on a Prius.
Tesla repair bills on insurance range from $11k to $55k.
Honestly getting the steel bodied car might be better. I think about this in the RS3/TT-RS debate.
I’d buy a used Model S if that was the choice.
I’m 6’5" so an RS3 is a bit tight. Love the car though…I’m suggesting that car to lots of people.
RS3 will be limited production (and limited interest to the mass market because it’s kind of expensive). I reckon depreciation of an RS3 will be impressively slow…especially if the Euro rebounds in a couple of years.
My RS4 that I just sold depreciated $12,000 USD in 6 years. RS cars are special.
and I kind of dodged that question…but I would only get the model 3 if it was performance version, AWD dual motor, big battery, premium, nice wheels, grey paint, autopilot (not FSD as I think that’s a waste of money for something that is 10 years away from being trustworthy). But I think it will be priced more like an RS5 and by the time a performance version is out it will be 2018-2019.
If I were you , the model S 75D would be a good choice and you can have one whenever you want. There’s probably a couple years left on that design/model before a full refresh. By then the Model 3 with the good stuff will be out.
I feel like I’m too old to have an RS3 and too young to be a Tesla dad. Not sure which one I want to “wear”. I do like the seating position of the RS3. It seems to fit like a glove. But I don’t see myself making the RS3 into a track monster in 5 years after it has done street duty. I’d rather get into a GT Porsche for that.
For some reason I also like the banality of the Allroad, and the capability to go in snow.
the allroad is a great looking car. If they made it in a 3.0T I would have bought one. The 2.0T is just an ugly sounding, luggy tractor of an engine though so I’m just not having it in a $50,000 car.
Allroad is basically an RS4 body with the fat fenders etc.
If I was independently wealthy I’d drop the 2.5L in it. The new 3.0T is complete horse shit. Have you driven it? Macan doesn’t blow my mind either.
I think the best used car in the game right now is a 2015 Cayenne Turbo.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/681212896/overview?aff=share_other
I was referring to the 3l supercharged engine. I do not buy new cars. Just bought another used one this week.
I wonder how Elon Musk and other “green tree huggers” feel about the truth of where their lithium ion batteries come from. Saki mentioned the extreme cost of it, and there is some insane figure that only after 10 years would an electric be better than gas combustion due to the enormous cost up front to produce. The thing is that most consumers keep their cars for 7-8 years right now, so electric actually fuks the world even more than gas.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-cobalt-mine-child-labor-2017-5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJ8me22NVs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/
Man, those are some rough working conditions.
Right? Makes me really appreciate what I have over here
I’m leaning towards a loaded Model 3, long range, autopilot cruise, premium package, dual motor. Willing to spend up to $65k. I realize this will take 2 years to come to market.
For the Tesla haters, here’s a $1.5B junk bond offering from this morning: https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-assigns-B2-CFR-to-Tesla-B3-to-unsecured-notes--PR_370922
Model 3 long range is allegedly 80.5 kW/h battery and 270 HP motor. The dual motor is probably the sweet spot here. I think the high output motors don’t last as long in the Teslas. That is why the S75 is being dropped, and it will be S75D only. The former has the high output rear motor, and the latter has lower output front and rear motors.