[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!
The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??
[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
The battery is warranted for 120,000 miles, and there are Teslas out there with 300K miles on their original battery packs and motors.
[quote=“zcd1,post:761,topic:7706”]
[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!
The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??
LOL when your smarter than google maybe we can have an conversation until then it seems your not only not super intelligent when it comes to this but sadly not informed either.
by your same logic that moving parts equals complexity is just as stupid as saying the NASA number cruncher computer is super simple because it has no moving parts… same as my cell phone.
Don’t conflate the simplicity of the design to the actual motor complexity itself. If its so easy as you say pull yours out and show us how easy it is to take apart and put back in.
I suppose complicated is a relative term and I guess you actually need to know more about the electronic motor than you just read on google.
Its been interesting seeing the difference you have talked about and seeing your actual performance results. Thanks for sharing.
All great points.
Is that a serious question? The powerplant is the energy company. And the energy is stored in the battery. The Tesla has a $700 motor that weighs 80 pounds and makes 500 HP and 500 ft/lb instantly at any engine speed at any time in 1 millisecond.
That’s beyond stupid. It’s a stater. A rotor. 4 magnets. And copper wire. The whole motor assembly costs less than 1 catalytic converter. It’s so small they stuff it in the subframe, and it can be swapped in 45 minutes. Just remove the 4 bolts for the suspension subframe and unclip the wiring harness.
There’s no clutches or friction points. That’s why nothing wears out. I guess you can make an argument there’s bearings.
Fuck since its so easy. Make one for your car and put it in… oh shit you can’t and wouldn’t be able to… but you can talk about how its easy but its not… Thats the point.
Further more to that point. Companies have reversed engineered the tesla motors. And while the design is simple in principle to make the motor more efficent and more powerful they have really pushed the limits of each individual substance. This isn’t just your back yard electronic motor anymore. As stated they are much more complex.
Even if your talking about the brush motors that have a limited life span they are still pushed to new limits but if your talking about the 3 phase permanent magnet switched reluctance motor. This is again something thats not easy to get right very complex in what it takes to build and make it work.
So either you don’t know what your talking about or your making the point that electronic motors are all the same simple to make and thus by that who cares about TESLA all electronic motors are easy and the same thing or super simple. If thats the case you over paid for your car. The motor is simple to make you could have just converted your S4.
And again. no disrespect but to say because its only got a few moving parts its simple is a bit moronic. Hell a nuclear power plant power source only has one moving part. Go build on in your backyard. Its just cadmium rods and some uranium. Easy only a few parts total.
What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t load 1200 pounds of batteries into an S4 and add two motors. You just buy a Tesla and put an Audi ring on it. Which people are doing now.
It’s not the magnets. It’s the software, stupid. That’s why it’s so much faster than everyone else’s. Battery management and phase changes.
What are you babbling on about??? You didn’t even answer the question. I’m getting the feeling your completely lost in the conversation fact and actual understanding wise
1 I was saying the motors are not the standard electronic motors. They are quite complicated in comparison to the competition. While still electronic magnet and coil but with more innovation.
You still didn’t answer my question and obviously are unaware of the different types of motors and tech Tesla uses… Thus the apparent blank stare I assume you have and then the odd comment about magnets and software…
You can totally put 1200 lbs of batteries in an S4 and the motor is so simple its JUST The motor assembly costs less than 1 catalytic converter. It’s so small they stuff it in the subframe, and it can be swapped in 45 minutes. Just remove the 4 bolts for the suspension subframe and unclip the wiring harness.
Now I know it might take 60 min or so on an S4 but the motors are easy and cheap. You said so… so easy…so simple
Perhaps you don’t understand you’re destroying the entire argument that Tesla is something special. Facts are according to you. Its just software and battery management. Looks like you over paid for your hyped up golf cart.
In the end all this bickering is childish. This all started by adding some common sense and perspective. That apparently if your a fan boy of tesla isn’t popular.
I test drove 3 electronic cars. 2 of them teslas. While I found neat things with the teslas. Did I think it was great. No… Is it the fastest…no. Is it the fastest for the money not my money. Was it all hype. to me it was in some cases but over all still a impressive leap for ele cars. For sure the benchmark.
I did think it was ok. I appreciate a lot of what the car had to offer. As far as ele cars for the money tesla has really pushed the market and the tech. I like what they did with the motors I like what they did with the frame of the car. Its nice. I did hours of research on what tesla has done and how they have improved over the past seveal years. In all aspects of the car power and battery tech.
Its just not for me all its cracked up to be. If you love your car FKN great. be a fan boy love the car. If you think its the greatest car ever GREAT. Good its all about getting a car you really like.
[quote=“justincredible,post:769,topic:7706”]
In actuality, your constant assumptions about what we (or anyone) knows or doesn’t know about our cars (or other cars) is the biggest issue here. You suggest that you understand things better than others, which is laughable at best and pathetic at worst.
Your constant posturing reveals everything we need to know about you.
[quote=“zcd1,post:770,topic:7706”]
And that you need to know about me is apparently that I do actually know more about the cars then you.
That I actually researched test drove physically and mechanically looked over the car and used some common sense in coming to my conclusions when coupled with the facts.
When you make a statement that shows your lack of understanding or off exaggeration that would tend to let others think that you don't know something. Perhaps this is what all the issues stem from or perhaps insecurity on others part.
If you actually take time to read and understand what I wrote. All I did was question what appears to be your needed belief of "truths"about the car you own…'and that my friend is what makes you laughable at best and pathetic at worst.
Sad but true apparently.
:Let me wrap this entire thing up. Your a fan boy and have some sort of cult love for your car. I’m not and I don’t. Anyone questioning the greatness of your electronic car seems to make for an argument with you not open dialog.
Dude the $37k Tesla will blow the doors off any Audi in production, and especially any $37k Audi which is like a base A3 Peasant trim. Doesn’t even have an iPad and 8 camera autopilot standard. Audi is going out of business.
Invalidating the crash structure of an Audi loaded with 1200 pounds of batteries is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. Just leave them in the safest best car ever built in the history of the world, Tesla Model 3.
Why the fuck would you make another front engine disaster out of Tesla cells?
ROFL!
west we’re still waiting for you to answer my questions.
Liquid fuel on board power plants with multi-speed transmissions are over man.
Tesla’s next car will go 0-60 in 1 second with 10,000 newton meters of torque. You’re going to need a G-suit and autopilot just so you don’t die when you pass out.
And you’re talking about a modded to hell RS3 that churns through a DSG every 1000 miles? Come on man. That’s caveman shit. I like the Iroz Motorsport stuff but it’s the end of an era. The platform is too slow to begin with.
Model 3 still has a lot of room left in it for performance. So far, they’re pushing the tunes to us for free and it’s getting much faster both in acceleration and in top speed.
Honestly not looking to argue. Looking for an actual look at what you think and where your comming from. Now caution. This caused an argument last time I tried this.
1 technically this isn’t even remotely true. As fuel cars are still on the manufacturing list for the next 3 years that you can find in research. So when are you talking over. next year 10 years
When this happens until then. Its not happened. its talk. When should this happen
I trully agree that IROZ is pushing the envlope and showing the strength of the small motor power. but 1000 miles for the transmission… come on…that seems like a bit of an exaggeration
4 this is good to hear. How far do you think this can be pushed from its current abilitys and why can it be pushed further. Do you see any down sides.
Strictly speaking, everyone is rushing to convert to EV but they know it will take them 9 years and they don’t have a volume supplier for batteries. Tesla could probably help them but they’re also sold out and capacity constrained.
The roadster is an actual pre-production prototype with a sub 1.9 second 0-60 time. They haven’t even begun to optimize this or push the envelope in terms of development kits and higher trim levels. At this point they’re completely limited by tire traction. The plan is to create downforce at standing speed by using air-gas thrusters fed by an electric pump with a high PSI tank. That will allow coefficients of road friction higher than 1.3.
I have met with Hank Iroz a few times and drove his car. 9 second 1/4 mile isn’t free. Speed costs money in gasoline land. Maintenance money. But wow there’s nothing more fun than going 155 MPH on a track where my Audi barely cracked 120.
The Model 3 Performance could definitely go 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. All software limited. Got to protect P100D.
All interesting. Thats kinda what I was looking for info wise.
Again when I’m asking these questions they are strictly questions. I’m not leading with anything. These are some of the things that prevent me from careing about full electronic cars.
From the info I gathered. The battery tech is about at its limits. Not my words but the words of the companies that build that batteries and engeeners that are planning for the future. This makes sense due to how the periodic table works. there isn’t any room to go further. However do batteries really need to get much better to sustain the ele cars future.
Also the electronic grid now IMHO due to enviro freaks that are dumb as shit is at about peak capacity and with none of the plans including newclear power plants or even new power plants how can we expect to see a real support system for electronic cars. If you are right and while I don’t think you are I personally think petrol cars are here till the last drop of oil but… if in 9 years all new cars are electronic there is no power grid to support that and it would take longer than 9 years to upgrade the current infrastructure to support such a huge increase in demand of ele power.
Lastly from what the parts break down shows is that the model 3 isn’t restricted so much by software as it is by hard parts. IE the battery feeds. Now I havent measured them but the power transferr from the batteries can only be pushed so far via the battery cables if we can call them that. or the transferr system would be a better term. cars like the P1000 have a bigger power transferr system. Think of the size of the trasferr or cables like the size of an intake or exhaust. You need bigger thicker battery cables to push more electronic current. So in that regard and its more than just the software.
[quote=“westwest888,post:776,topic:7706”]
Bwahahahahahaha!!! ;D ;D
Jesus you’re ignorant or not smart. Or you read a ton of fake news and have no ability to sniff test what is real.
You really just need to go test drive a Model 3 at a store and then go back and read this stupidity. You’ll delete it. There’s no pressure to buy because they’re not salespeople. They’re just brand ambassadors who want you to drive the P100D or Model 3 Performance, to see if you like it.
There is no battery issue. Every company except Tesla has trouble managing battery draw, managing regen, managing aero, etc. So their range sucks. Tesla is pushing 400 miles of real world range now. Audi can barely crack 150 with the e-tron. They’re a fucking joke company that builds diesels and allocated no resources to EV. You can tell cause it sucks.
The electrical grid stuff is so stupid I don’t know where to begin. Let’s start with: we spend 4% of US national electricity to power GASOLINE REFINERIES. Yes, it takes a metric fuck ton of energy to crack a barrel of oil into gasoline, diesel, and other distillates. That energy ALONE could power every car and truck.
I have no idea what you mean by “upgrade the entire grid”. That’s a red herring and not necessary. The physical wiring is fine. The power plants are not running anywhere near capacity, in fact we’re retiring hundreds of power plants we don’t need. They could all just hum back to life. Or the remaining plants can run at higher capacity. Electric cars mostly charge at night when the national system is idle. You have no clue how little energy it takes to move a car with battery power. It’s really 1/10th of a Prius to move my car LAMBO fast.
The wiring stuff is the dumbest thing you’ve ever written. The cable is not running to hot. Stupid modder idea nobody with a brain has actually had. The cabling is not running hot, and it’s correct. The Model 3 has much larger cabling than Model S only for ultra high speed charging. Discharge to the motor is fine. Model 3 Performance has QC tested inverters which are guaranteed to handle the load of the motor. They can keep pushing the fleet envelope as reliablity data comes in. 0-60 in 2.9 is coming.
Did tuning your S4 ruin it?
Tell me the stock 0-60 and quarter mile times for the P3D and RS3.
How about the quarter mile an a tuned RS3?
And the quarter mile on a turbo upgraded RS3?
I guess the RS3 is a luxory car, whereas the P3D is a basic stripped car with an iPad so no competition there.
Are there any P3Ds with a million miles?
Any Tesla’s with a million miles with no major costly repair / service?
Do you routinely hang out in your P3D rear seats or get driven around to enjoy all the interior room?