Because I started a thread about race/crime on a car forum? Yes… I incited this. Check the thread title and who started the thread…
Still haven’t answered. When you decide to actually post an opinion , someone let me know and I will come back.
Otherwise you’re just running in circles and avoiding the facts, which are ‘different’ because you’re a black guy in Ferguson who discounts a Canadian’s opinion after reading evidence…because they are white.
Neat.
Did you know you were racist? Or is this the first time someone has pointed it out to you?
did I say I was black? Where?
Did I say I was living in ferguson? Where?
Now that is irony. I’m about to call you a racist (according to you). But then minutes later you call me one instead.
You made a racist comment. It’s funny how it happens when you least expect it. And you still haven’t answered anything.
You also said that you had the perspective that I don’t have. And that perspective can only be gained by being black, in Ferguson. This was the prequel to your racist dismissal of my opinion.
Perspective from being a yankee and from having lived in St. Louis. Not Ferguson.
I dismiss your opinion because you are so far removed from having an idea about context. You could be purple with green polka dots but if you have lived in that area or had to deal with police/courts from that area that would give some perspective which you lack.
Whenever you’re ready to have an opinion or address the facts please do. Until then start a new thread about your hatred for white people who read.
Whenever you are ready to start a thread about your hatred for black people start a thread.
Ops… you already did!
Show me anything disparaging I’ve written about black people or anyone of any colour creed or nationality (besides B5 S4 owners and quattrofail members) .
The point of this thread is about everything but race issues… Yet you have turned it into that. That’s where you’re failing.
The whole thread is about looking at the facts and ignoring the races of those involved. I even presented scenarios to show how absurd it is to say this is race based, where if a white person pulled a gun on the police, they too would be justifiably shot dead. It’s about criminals and cops, not black or white.
But no, you want it to be a race party. So sad.
ignorant and uneducated people come in every color. The argument that you have to be local or black to recognize the stupidity is ridiculous.
Ask around, the majority of black Americans are also tired of this bullshit. They don’t even want to be part of the conversation.
This is quite an ignorant statement if I must say so myself.
Saki isn’t black so his opinion on the matter shouldn’t be as valued as the black guy’s opinion, da fuq?
The media has made it a racial issue thus it became a wide-spread racial issue amongst the blacks, whites, browns, yellows and etc UNDER ignorance. The fact of the matter is these individuals were NOT targeted by officers but approached under circumstances that placed them as suspicious due to activity NOT color of their skin but that is only apparent if you look beyond the “oh he black/white/brown/yellow” bullshit.
Michael Brown - Approached by an officer because he fit a particular description per radio traffic of a strong-arm robbery; attacks officer and attempts to take his gun, flees and gets shot.
Eric Gardner - Approached by an officer because he was observed for violating a law per NY Statues; officers attempt to arrest, individual struggles and resists, officers step up to counter and individual ends up dying.
Antonio Martin - Approached by an officer, individual pulls gun and gets shot in return by officer
Strong arm Robbery - Felony
Possession with Intent to distribute - Misd/Felony depending on state
Brandishing a Firearm - MISD; Attempts on an officer of the law - Felony depending on charges or outcome.
In every one of these situations, none of the black men were cooperating with officers.
In every one of these situations, none of them were law-abiding.
In every one of these situations, a “black stereotype” played out.
If blacks want to rise above and progress forward, then they need to rise above the “stereotype” that they are fed. All this looting, rioting and violence towards officer is a step back to the 60s/70s, which MLK and the grandparents of current day individuals fought and progressed. In my opinion, racism in the 21st century is a moot point; yes certain individuals feed on it but it is because they are ignorant to their own beliefs.
lol at @fined. You completely missed the point of the thread.
The point is that anyone who assaults a police officer, attempts to grab his weapon, and then charges at the LEO is just asking to be shot; whether he is white, black, purple, etc… Race has nothing to do with it.
The Eric Garner case could have been prevented by simply not committing a crime or resisting arrest. The fact that he died was a freak case, and again had nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his actions and his health.
I can’t comment too much on the issues that Saki posted since I haven’t read up too much on it (and I tend to only say something when I feel that I’m somewhat “informed”).
But as a first generation Asian American (jus soli), I can offer some perspective. I went to elementary school which was predominantly black in Indianapolis, IN (I believe it was over 60% - I was one of five or so Asians in the whole school - and the other was my younger brother). Was I bullied/picked on? You better believe it. But I also made a lot of good friends of all races and beliefs (who I lost touch with when I moved back to South East Asia unfortunately). We weren’t well off either. Both of my parents worked 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. They put me and my two younger brothers through college.
I’ve never played the race card at any point in my life. Neither has my family. And that’s the values/belief that I will instill if I ever have a family. We don’t have control of what situations we’re confronted with, but we do have control over the things we do before and after confronted with any situation. I do joke about the few experiences I’ve had and I still get a good chuckle every time I think back on it (instead of going “omg that’s racist”).
If you are a criminal and law enforcement shows up, they will enforce the law (at least I hope they do their job).
If you resist, you will be dealt with (I see it all the time watching COPS lol).
If you attack (anyone - not just the police), they have the right to defend themselves.
Do I think there’s police brutality in the US? Sure. Do I think there’s racial profiling? Sure. Do I think that because someone is a minority that race trumps the merits of the situation (aka they were committing a crime)? Absolutely not. If it does, that’s also racism - as the treatment of someone is different because of something else other than the merits of the situation.
Do I think there’s racial inequality in the US? Sure. But it’s not as bad as some of the other places I’ve lived in. (where what race you are affects your financial interest rates and business opportunities and it’s codified as national law? Where you race determines your education?). Where the corrupt police (largely from the ruling race) regularly ridicule/berate the minorities. It’s the “norm” there. And it’s upsetting. Sedition acts? Check. Ability to deny habeas corpus? Check. The US on the other hand, has it easy (why else would a lot of folks want to try and migrate here still).
And I really can’t stand the racial and religious fear mongering of the 24 hours news media. Perhaps they should find “happy” news and repeat it for hours on end for a change.
I also think the most under privileged minority group in the US are, ironically, Native Americans.
It’s not a race thing… It’s a media thing. Stories like these ones told with a strong bias to one side. The majority of people who watch the news (and the majority of people in general) are influenced by whatever is said on the news, which is almost never objective. These stories are presented purely for increased views. People who don’t watch mainstream news (like myself) end up watching it.
Unfortunately the alternative news outlets (websites, youtube, etc) are also very biased in a different direction. Understandably this makes it very hard to form an independent opinion.
I think saki’s presentation of the facts is very well laid out, I only read into the Brown story so the other ones are new to me. The only thing I thought was different was the timing of the incident. Did the officer actually receive a radio call about a robbery prior to the incident?
I lock my doors every time I see one…
I’m not even going to get into this but how do you think this guy feels about the whole Michael Brown situation?
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/26/a23aa86f0eb3190f564e677b0e3b5a1f.jpg
He wasn’t tasked to the call but overheard the traffic and the lookout. Any good officer will tell you their ears are trained to the radio for anything and everything being transmitted; worse calls are the calls for help from the fellow officers…you never want to hear those.
On topic, Ofc Wilson was already on a call but like any other cop, he monitors the radio traffic within the county. He, per the reports, made a mental note of the radio traffic and finished out his call with the troubled baby. Once he left the apartment complex, he was doing the normal cop routine and keeping an eye out on his beat; the reports say he noted an individual matching the description that transpired via radio traffic and went to investigate. The individual was Michael Brown and from there is where “white officer shoots unarmed black teen” comes into play.
Wow beemercer. I realize u were trying to make a joke but that was very distasteful. That poor guy is the real victim here.
Beemercer made fun of fined, not the shop owner
Read the whole thread. Fined told me I’m not allowed to have an opinion because i am not black and not living in Ferguson.
'bout sums up the entire thread cuz
#apparentlyblacklivesmatterMORE
;D