It's not a race thing...it's a criminal thing. Why can't people figure that out

I’m guessing this is a criminal thing as well?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/man-fatally-shot-by-police-in-minn-traffic-stop-1.2976536

Black guy in a white middle class neighbourhood gets pulled over for a busted light. Announces to the cop that he’s carrying and has a license to do so. Reaches for his license and registration, cop opens fire. Meanwhile, his girlfriend and child are in the car. Can you say “bias”? He’s black, he therefore must be reaching for a gun. No other possible explanation. Must shoot asap.

RE: Alton. If you’re a cop and you are trying to handcuff/arrest someone and they resist, you can’t just step back and wait for them to calm down, you have to apply greater force for them to comply right? If you’ve tased someone 1 or more times and they still aren’t complying you’re in a pretty extreme situation already. Combined with the fact the person is reported to be armed. It doesn’t matter if there’s 4 cops holding him down you don’t want to be the 1 cop he manages to shoot. From the 2 videos an officer has their gun pointed at him and was yelling for him to stop moving (something to that extent I didn’t want to rewatch the second video). And his hands are moving where his gun potentially is, what are you supposed to do, step back or just sit there and wait for him to calm down?
And then here’s my ignorant white person thoughts. If the cops patrol that area regularly they probably know him to some extent, he’s illegally possesed a gun before and is reported to have one again. He has a criminal history and is on probation, getting arrested would violate his probation, and sex offenders generally don’t like going back to jail.

RE: The other one. I don’t know much about that outside of the one link. But if a cop says put your hands out the window and you reach for your glove compartment after announcing you have a gun (licensed or not), what are you supposed to do as a cop? Hope he is pulling out his license?

I dunno, maybe I’m a very ignorant person, but I try to read/research any news article I find without bias and both those ones seem sort of obvious.

The problem is with the biases. It’s like that experiment made not long ago. A white guy walks down the street with a rifle (in a state where it’s legal to open carry one), keeps walking until a cop drives by. Cop calmly stops and asks him some questions. White guy says he has a license and he’s not doing anything illegal and asks what the cop wants (all of this is being filmed, the cop knows as they’re not hiding the camera). Cop says it’s all good and gets back into his car and drives away.

Then they do the exact same thing with a black guy carrying the exact same rifle, walking until a cop drives by. Once a cop does, the cop jumps out of the car, pistol drawn and screams at him to get down on the ground and to push his rifle away, all the while pointing his gun straight at him. All this is being video taped as well in plain sight. Cop then calls for immediate backup, 2 or 3 cars show up and they’re all “containing” the situation with guns drawn. Meanwhile, the black guy is complying but trying to explain he’s licensed to openly carry, etc. Cops completely ignore him and obviously treat him as a criminal.

Exact same rifle, exact same area, both being filmed. The difference of how the white guy vs. black guy was treated was night and day. That is what a bias is. We all have biases but cops seem to have pretty extreme ones.

Obviously, if you’re being arrested for walking down the street and your rights are being thrown out the window, you’re going to get pissed off. Most white people don’t seem to “get” the fact that blacks are pulled over or stopped on the sidewalk and harassed at a disproportionately high rate compared to white people. But hey, when white people are convinced that racism doesn’t exist because they’ve personally never experienced it (being white and all), what can I possibly tell them. Unless they’ve experienced discrimination themselves, they simply won’t get it/believe it.

I can’t believe the cognitive dissonance in this thread. So sad…

Who has been inconsistent?

The Illinois conceal-carry law actually requires that, when pulled over, you have to announce you’re a CC license holder and show it to the cop.

The rationale of saying that there’s no other way around subduing a person who is resisting arrest, so the police are justified to retaliate with these kinds of actions. Is what I’m referring to, it ridiculous. Regardless of race, colour or creed no one deserves this type of treatment. There has to be some sort of accountability for their actions, we’re seeing this all to often…

Yea, I definitely fit the white stereotype lol. We have pretty strict gun laws here so it’s hard to imagine how things work in more relaxed or open carry states.

That guy has probably been pulled over before and is used to announcing CC and his license and pulling it out. There, I’m a reasonable person and I can see it from that side.

Isn’t that how police are trained though? If they try to handcuff or arrest someone and they physically can’t do it because the person is resisting what are they supposed to do? I’m asking that as a non-rhetorical question, are they just not following protocol?

Same with California

This isnt really a thing again is it. Its another criminal doing criminal things and getting what comes with not following the law and the orders of police.

The life of our civil servants needs to come first. Thousands and thousands of people get arrested everyday only the consistant theme here is the criminals who resist arrest get treated like someone resisting arrest. If there is a possible gun present and someone resists arrest they by law have rights and if the criminal throws there rights out the window by resisting these things can and should happen.

There is a reason that when under the harsh review these officers in the past have not been fired.

This is simple listen to the cops. If your a criminal and the cops are coming to a call where someone was reported you having a gun and pointing it at someone you might want to put your hands up not move and not resist arrest.

Again this isnt a race thing its a criminal thing. Criminals tend to not follow the law this is why they get arrested and if they resist arrest these things happen.

Here is a fun fact. 99.9% of all people in prision broke the law

Same in Michigan and in Illinois you need to announce that you have a CC. You dont need to pull it out and show it you need to provide it apon request. They already know you have a CC licence when they pull you over. In CC class they taught us EXPLICITY do not take your hands off the wheel keep your hands in site at all times and never take your hands off the wheel unless otherwise requested by the officer. You should already have your papers ready if your going to present them.

was he struggling and resisting and trying for his gun?

I found the whole shooting thing weird. Smash him in the face with your fist and secure his gun.

  1. who yelled he’s got a gun?
  2. who yelled ‘do it!’

you’re seeing this all too often because all too often criminals kill cops and people. Simple. There are also 360 million people in america and another 40 million (almost) in Canada. That’s 400 million. And there are a few hundred thousand cops dealing with this stuff all day every day. Shit happens. Some cops get it wrong once in a while. It’s not like every hour cops kill a black guy for spite. But I think that just because everyone with a mobile phone can film these things going haywire suddenly puts it in your face doesn’t mean there’s an epidemic. Cases like the original one discussed in this thread about Mike Brown…he needed to die, because he basically decided to kill the cop. So what’s the cop to do? This one here with the 2 cops on top of the big fat guy…that sucked and probably will lead to charges for them unless something shows the guy was struggling to get to his own gun to kill them.

Let’s step back though…if he was indeed struggling for his gun…what would you suggest they do if they were unable to subdue him? stand up and run and hide behind their car and have a good old fashioned shootout?

The problem is the giant bubble huggy womb surrounder hasnt been invented to manage someone who is resisting and potentially going to kill you, so the cops are forced to use billy bat, taser, fists, or last resort, gun.

In any event, cognitive dissonance is the wrong term. I think you need to study harder this term :slight_smile: .

One officer shot dead in Dallas at a BLM rally. At least 5 others injured. Isn’t 2016 fantastic?

I think you mean 11 shot, 4 police officers dead

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dallas-officers-shot-protests-1.3669873

Not long before black lives matter is deemed a terrorist organization. Any bets?

p.s. you guys still think you need AR15s?

https://twitter.com/allisongriz/status/751234755882995713

here’s your sniper according to the police. EDIT: he’s a person of interest. Maybe because he was walking around with an AR 15 lol. WTF is with that. I get that it’s ‘allowed’ but it’s fucking stupid. You’re allowed to cut your dick off with a saw, but doesn’t mean you should do it.

This guy’s life is all but ruined. He’ll be on the internet forever as ‘Dallas police shooting suspect’ even though he appears to just be a guy in the crowd. ‘But it’s my right!’. Some people just need to understand that shoving your rights in people’s face will not go well all the time. Of course rights nuts will say ‘fuck you it’s his right’. Sure it is. But making shit choices that produce shit outcomes because you’re righteous…I don’t know what to say about that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm0FciQWIAAi_2y.jpg

i need an ar-15

your country…i don’t get it. Not even close.

It’s such an awesome weapon, man. What can I say? #Merica 8)

a news source spoke to the guy’s brother from the picture. No surprise.

[quote]He said his brother brought the gun to the protest because “it is his right. He was simply exercising his right.”
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looks like a real winner here. Shoots the cop in the back multiple times point blank with an assault rifle. Cop looks like an old man.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/687488/Dallas-shooting-video-gunman-shoots-police-officer-in-the-back-black-lives-matter