And the rest of the article…
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So much depends on who and where we get our info…I’m a cynic and tend to not believe so much of what is reported on all sides.
Again, he said, they said, the truth
So much depends on who and where we get our info…I’m a cynic and tend to not believe so much of what is reported on all sides.
Again, he said, they said, the truth
you can say that again.
oh wait, you did.
Just making the point that I find it frustrating sifting through all the bs is all
And again. Lol! ;D
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-settlement-20150429-story.html
Or he never had surgery for a car accident…or he already suffered near fatal injuries before being placed in van (friend of transport officer)…or he intentionally injured himself in the van ride (detained individual on same van ride)…
Preliminary findings show head injury occurred while in the van. If this turns out to be the case, fuck those police officers. I hope they get prosecuted to the fullest extent the law permits.
While I think the rioters are disgusting thugs, I’m also sick of seeing unarmed black men being shot and killed during arrests or attempted arrests. This is obviously not a reference to Ferguson, as the circumstances there were completely different - definitely a justifiable homicide on the officer’s part in that case.
You can’t really make that judgement though either…what would be the easiest thing to do if you were on your way to jail, probably for the 20th time and they were going to throw away the key? You are young, black and in police custody…given the spotlight that previous cases have been given…you could bash your own head in and claim police brutality…easy. Or injure yourself and ask to go to the hospital and try to escape.
Now don’t jump me, after making that statement I believe police brutality surely exists because power is a really bad thing for some people. I’ve seen 20 year old kids, who become military police and get a badge, gun, and cop car out of a 9 months school…can you imagine how that goes to there head. But this is hardly an epidemic.
We still can’t deny a few things…
These guy are career fucking criminals…that has nothing to do with race
They were breaking or broke a law and were being arrested.
They resisted or ran
Unarmed Black men are not the only people who get shot by police…but it makes the best story for the media
95% of the US population probably has no clue they are still pulling people out of the rubble in Nepal
This is very true and cannot be eliminated as a possibility. In fact, after I posted, I read an article that the other arrestee in the van has apparently claimed that the guy was purposefully throwing himself around in the van. So ya, that’s a real possibility here. Maybe there was a camera inside the vehicle that hasn’t yet been released to the public. That would be helpful.
The two recent killings that I consider outrageous were the one in NY (“loose cigarette” salesman) and the one in SC (guy shot in the back while fleeing the cop).
Sad but true… (not sure if most of them even know where Nepal is either)
Good points euro.
Anyone that breaks the law is voluntarily removing there right to freedom as you put yourself in a position to be detained. Committing a felony effects society on a deeper level. Committing a felony and trying to run or resist is going to result and should result in you getting forced to stop moving.
I feel it’s a situation where if a criminal gets scuffed up oh well. That’s part of the price you pay to try and take advantage of the ability to break the law. I can walk into any bank and steal momey but there are considered consequences that will come with that.
A big part of people in bad neighborhoods is wanting a better neighborhood. When a drug dealer gets caught dealing drugs and he resists arrest and gets killed or hurt in the posses blaming the criminal should be the first thought. Going after the people who are paid shit money to try and police violent neighborhoods isn’t going to help clean up the neighborhood.
It might sound cold but fuck the media that tries to make it sound like very dead felon was 3 hours short of finishing life saving work for starving children when it’s not even the case. It’s excuse after excuse. Oh he was abandoned as a child or ate led paint or this or that. … yeah Ok but he was a criminal and bad shit can happen to you if you decide to go down that road.
Everyone loved seeing the mom beat the one kid media wise. But if he gets caught robbing a store or selling drugs and resists arrest and the cops do it it’s looked at like it’s the end of the world. No we should just start saying oh well that’s what can happen.
The ballance is all wrong. It’s almost like people are more scared to become a cop then a criminal.
It’s shitty because there is no truth reported by the media…EVER. If the truth somehow does come out, they won’t broadcast it and that is sickening. Also, people make up their minds to fit their agenda…even if they are wrong.
We will have to disagree on those incidents too, because there is a very simple thing to do when you are being put in cuffs for breaking a law…no matter how minor of a law. You don’t resist and if you truly believe you are innocent of a crime, you don’t say a word and you get a lawyer.
If the SC incident would have happened like this…
Man grabs cops taser, tasers him and grabs his gun…shoots and kills cop.
Local media would report it for a day,
They would have a big funeral, a parade, they would name a fucking road after the cop…end of story.
Do I think the number of times he shot him was excessive? YES
But I can tell you if I was the cop in a foot pursuit with a guy who ran from a petty traffic stop I would already be on the alert. Then he resists and we struggle, I have one thing on my mind and that is making it home to see my wife and son at the end of the day, How about you guys? and I would have just shot him in the legs.
I dont know, asking the question, but are cops even trained to not shoot to kill these days?
Actually I think we would agree on this one. I was talking about the killing - not necessarily taking the guy down by a shot in the legs. 
No, and they really shouldn’t be.
A) lethal force is just that, LETHAL. You can’t expect using a gun loaded with real bullets (vs rubber or “non-lethal” weapons such as tasers etc) is going to end with anything other than a lethal outcome.
You really don’t want the mindset of ANYONE (police officer or self defense as a citizen) using a gun in the capacity of “oh, I’ll TRY to shoot him in the leg bc what’s going on doesn’t actually require lethal means for me to remain alive & safe”.
A gun should always be treated as an item that can result fatal outcomes even if not intentional. Ie there is no such thing as a “unloaded gun” or a “safe gun”. Gun saftey 101.
B) I’m not sure how many people have actually spent much time shooting a pistol, but it is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult and less accurate than is perceived. Shooting at a distance of 15 yards is not an easy task when you’re calm, prepared, not rushed, and doing it repeatedly, all in a controlled environment in a shooting range.
Now take all those factors away, add in an urban environment, an extreme case of adrenaline pumping, and trying to gauge unkown factors. And if it is involving any movement such as running, side stepping, or trying to seek cover, you’re in a whole other ballgame.
C) Finally, making the decision to use lethal force but then intentionally trying to use it in a non-lethal means because you feel you are not in immediate danger for yourself or others wellbeing can often result in finding the “shooter” to be at fault. You’re essentially admitting the scenario did not require lethal force to defend yourself but you chose to use it and “try” for it not to be lethal.
If your finger is on the trigger the ONLY reason it should be there is because the shooter is prepared to take a lethal action.
Also, in an urban environment, when that trigger is being pulled, you are also to some extent counting on the target to be the end place for each bullet to be. Stray bullets are a very dangerous thing, and aiming for a body limb rather than body mass can possibly result in unintended harm to innocent lives. Situational awareness is a very big factor prior to a finger ever even reaching a trigger, but there is only so much the human brain can process of its surroundings at once. And I would say more often than not, cops do not pull the trigger due to not having certainty in those surroundings. Let’s not forget, most police officers are good people, and possibly ending another human being’s life is not something most good people are comfortable with doing.
Just throwing some viewpoints out there. Sometimes the ideology, as good as it might seem, just doesn’t work in the real world environment.
No they are trained to use the gun to shoot the centre of mass (chest, big target) until it stops the person.
As mentioned above you’re pulling the weapon to stop someone and it’s nearly impossible to wing someone or shoot their shoulder etc. It’s about one thing: stopping them. And that means killing them with a gun in all likelihood because shooting someone in the chest until they stop whatever it is they were doing is pretty likely to be fatal.
The south Carolina guy… He shot him while running away. That’s never ever going to be justified. You’re no longer in danger at that point. Case in point Ferguson
Mike brown tried to kill the cop in the car. Then he fled when he got shot in the hand. The cop pursued him but didn’t shoot him in the back (even though a few people lied and said he did and the moronic media blasted that story without considering the legitimacy of the morons telling the story). The cop only shot him when he came back running at the cop.
Homicide charges
^^ LOL.
LOL
Alton Sterling shooting. ‘so awful… he was helpless…’ :
Video is pretty graphic. It probably won’t be up for long on youtube.
Seems pretty fucked up to me to have two officers literally on top of the guy pinning him down when they opened fire. Yes he had a gun on him but it was obviously still in his pocket as they pulled it out after they shot him.