dude…how is your phone still double posting? You must have had like 4 phones since that started lol
also I forgot about Dylan Roof.
I know. Its actually 2nd phone, I’m cheap when it comes to phone tech. But, same slow wireless at office
Sadly, that is far from the case. Many are completely unaware of just how bad it is.
And then there’s this poll.
focus…everyone in this thread. I think we’re all reasonably sophisticated and educated. And there’s about 7 of us. You’re not posting in Hyde Park at speaker’s corner. You’re here on AR. So the poll of who knows who…not relevant. You were busy admonishing us in this thread that we’re out of touch with reality.
But, that’s the interesting thing with these sorts of threads. Relevance to the topic at hand has a way of transforming into the bigger picture not just the isolated incident. Kind of where real solutions have a way of surfacing. At least start to anyway. Mind you, I have zero aspirations of solving America’s race issues on AR, but it is interesting…
Exactly… white privlage… even saying that is raceist that is just following the media hype and bull crap.
This isnt a black thing more so then a criminal thing. More whites were shot by cops in 2014 then blacks. So there is your white privlage. You dont need to be black or muslum or indian or white to know there are stereo types for all of them. All set up by the media
Its not a black thing its a poor choices thing and that lands you in poverty and then that can lead to even more bad choices. It is part lack of a family dynamic. Thats again not a black thing its a poor choices thing. Try watching the show cops that destroys your weak white privlage argument. Cops don’t harass blacks in the nicer neighborhoods that live and work by me. But if you go into Detroit where crime is rampant things change and treatment of people in certian areas change. Both black and white. I think the questions or statement needs to change from how many black people are posting in this thread to how many people live near crime infested areas are posting in this thread.
I see extreme poverty and crime. I also see immigrants move into poverty areas the same poverty areas where crime is an issue and eventually they move out. Living in high crime high poverty areas leads to getting treated differently. Black white brown whatever.
The facts are simple. Criminal doing criminal acts gets treated like a criminal. Criminal has a gun then resists arrest and fights with cops while having a gun on him. Dosent matter what color someone is they are going to get shot or beating by the cops
White privlage lol lol lol…
The theme so far has been criminal acts like a criminal and gets treated like a criminal. The one case that we dont have all the facts for yet is the guy who gets shot in his car. That can be a possible case of the cop being over bounds.
The other theme in this is each time the media lies and leaves out facts miss leads public people and tries to see BS only for us to find out the real facts and the real truth. So far it never turns out to be more then criminal acting like a criminal cops doing there jobs
Lol someone should make an easy to comprehend flow chart that shows the outcomes for police interactions. I bet it would go viral.
LOL
To follow up with white privlage Stats to help so its not just me ranting
According to the washington post consistantly over the years more whites have been killed by cops then blacks. Not just more but twice as many. Not only have more whites been killed by cops but so have more hispanics depending on what years you look
more facts. this time by the FBI… cops are more likely to be shot by black offenders then to be killed by cops. This needs to be adressed as when people wonder why poliece defend themselves the stats are there. At some point we have to kinda realize that we are getting played here. We dont hear about cops getting shot by criminals but if the criminal is black and gets shot its the end of the world. I dont even get how people are even remotely shocked that a criminal with a gun thats resisting arrest after a call came in saying the criminal had threatened someone with a gun is an issue. When this happens twice as many times with white people or hispanics why are we not hearing about this…
The blacks are getting the raw end of the deal tho. Its again the media that twists things to stir up the mix. Its almost like the media is trying to create a race war. In many cases the media seems to remove information that would otherwise remove any possible race tension. You see the media trying to push all kinds of crap to try and devide and cause issues.
With all do respect, Justin, but those numbers or stats or facts don’t really show or explain the whole picture. White Americans make up approx 70% of the US population. Black Americans are roughy 12-13%.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/
I think, and maybe I am wrong, most sane people would agree with you that a criminal threatening people with a gun deserves whats coming to them from the police regardless of race.
Well yes it does actually tells the whole picture. It tells you that more white people total are shot and killed by police. FACT…
The thoughts behind the link you showed tries to change things from total to percentage. That’s also a possible skewed argument to have. If were talking percentage Hispanics have the highest percentage of individuals killed by cops… Or again if your looking at percentage black cops rank very high on percentage of black cops shooting white criminals vs white cops shooting black criminals. Percentage wise its very close.
As an important note percentage wise black cops made up for a large percentage of those who shot at black suspects. Again if we are looking at percentages from the bureau of justice blacks make up for 70% of the over all crime numbers. So when you factor in that percentage its completly changes the tables. You have one of the lowest percentages of the population comitting the highest percentage of the crimes. So if we want to use percentages of police interactions to killings its drasticlly flipped and percentage wise whites are killed at a much higher rate.
percentages It can be tough because some poles want to over inflate numbers. Whites dont make up 70% they seem to make up for closer to 60% and blacks basied off census make up closer to 25%. in the end we have hard FACTS and that is that more white people are killed by cops and almost at 2:1 raito using total hard numbers. So where are all the injustice storys about cops killing white people…
Again when we look at the totals not the percentages where are the outrages from the hispanics why do we not see more white lives matter rallys. You can break down percentages to move the spectrum in any fashion you really want. In the end here whatever racial percentage you want to look at. In police shootings neither group is targeted. Who is targeted seems to be criminals.
Your right and I agree with if its a criminal with a gun threatening peoples lives and putting police lives at stake. These things are going to happen. No matter what your race color or finichal siuation.
I’m sorry Justin but you HAVE to look at percentages. You CANNOT look at total numbers.
Looking at total numbers COMPLETELY skews the truth. In 2015, 7.27 blacks per million were killed by police. 2.93 whites per million were killed by police. That demonstrate a huge propensity to kill more blacks per million than whites. Looking at total numbers is ENTIRELY pointless.
The breakdown of people killed by police per million in 2015:
7.27 Black
3.51 Hispanic/Latino
3.4 Native American
2.93 White
1.34 Asian/Pacific Islander
Furthermore,
Of the total of 306 blacks killed by cops in 2015, 79 were unarmed (i.e. no weapon at all): 26%
Of the total of 581 whites killed by cops in 2015, 103 were unarmed: 18%
Actually the total number causes a big issue for the blacks are target argument. If I use the only real hard number it would be the total number and the stats look bad for the media driven black target argument. When you use percentages you start to get things skewed looking at census polls and the accuracy tends to breakdown a bit.
Still with what you posted it shows that no one is a target. The black race accounts for the largest amount of crime when looking at both the FBI and the justice department. Blacks account for well over twice the amount of crimes in almost all catigorys espically when you account for violent crimes so when you factor that in as you have to the stats or percentages make sense and show the only target here is criminals
Since this blacks are a target thing is more of a farce the question now is why dont we see more of the news accounts of the more then twice as many whites getting shot. The pool is twice as large. This year alone there are 500 cases of whites getting shot vs about 250 blacks. That is a huge amount of whites getting shot by cops. Thats a large much easier pool to grab from. you have an almost 2:1 raito.
You want to know why you dont see stories about whites getting shot even tho it happens twice as much. Because whites wont riot or they dont riot. Telling the white comunity that a white criminal got shot wont put whites into the street. Me a white person if I saw a cop shoot a white criminal Im going to say the same thing as I would a black criminal. Its a criminal that happens.
We see this with blacks because from what I can see the blacks are eaisly manipulated by the media and they will riot and they will create news.
So by one strong account your right. Blacks are targeted but its by the media not the cops.
PERHAPS but if you look at percentages vs. population, you’re also skewing data. Why are you including legions of people not involved in crime or murder in the first place?
Let’s instead look at the data comparing ONLY murders. All homicides.
That’s what the Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal did. Measure all homicides by race, then determine the number of those killed by police, and use that percentage.
[quote=Wall Street Journal]What if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.
The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.
For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.
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Interesting huh?
How about this beauty…
[quote]Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.
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wow…so black actually kill cops with greater propensity than cops kill blacks. That’s pretty funny isn’t it.
Here’s another fact to chew on. Shouldn’t the high number of blacks killed by police be tempered with an understanding of WHY the police are interacting with the black population in teh first place?
About 2/3 of robberies and murders are committed by the black community. Using that statistic for likelihood of police interaction with a violent or armed criminal, seems that the police killing 2x as many whites as blacks overall is pretty incredible when you think about it. The cops are interacting with blacks 2/3 of the time and are killing half as many whites.
[quote]As residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.
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quit being a cop hater Axel. I know you don’t like the police, but let’s open our minds up a little. Some cops are fucked and fucked up and should hang. Painting them all with that brush is moronic.
this is pretty funny. Police were called to an intersction in Houston where a man was reportedly waving a gun around.
When they arrived he was pointing it at the sky. They engaged (verbally) asking him numerous times to drop the gun and get down. He ignored them.
He then broought the gun down and pointed it at the officers. They shot him and killed him.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Ashton P. Woods, a Black Lives Matter Houston activist, questioned why gunfire was used.
[quote]It’s problematic. What about a taser? What about pepper spray?
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are they fucking kidding?
are they fucking kidding?
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More LULZ.
When the cops shoot a black guy thats
Not a criminal
Didnt just commit a crime
Isnt the main suspect in a call
Resist arrest
put the cops lives in danger
or all together not give any probable cause for interaction I can see room for more conversation. But so far we are talking about criminals breaking the law resisting arrest fighting with cops and getting shot. I dont care what color you are thats a formula that wont ever end well.
wow…so black actually kill cops with greater propensity than cops kill blacks. That’s pretty funny isn’t it.
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42 cops were killed by gunfire in 2015. I don’t have the breakdown of which races killed the cops but cops go to where the danger is. It’s not like they’re driving or walking around minding their own business and suddenly, someone comes up to them and begins to harass them. The fact that cops are going into danger areas will skew that number. But of course, it’s easier to look at numbers in isolation without attempting to understand the context or the reasons. That’s like saying why are there more firefighters killed % wise by fires than the general population. That’s because firefighters go to the fires. Duh.
As for blacks making a higher percentage of criminals, maybe if they were treated the same way without all the biases, and had equal access and opportunities of success, and weren’t as disproportionately incarcerated, fewer might have become criminals. But again, no one seems to bother with the cause part of cause and effect. Only the effect part. As I said, it’s futile to discuss this stuff with you guys. You’re cherry picking stats like the one above and removing context or causes.
As for Justin’s comment, when a group of people are disproportionately represented beyond margins of statistical error, there’s a larger problem at hand. Seems no one gives a shit unless you’re among the group that’s disproportionately represented.
Chicken and egg I guess Axel. But you skipped over that whole post real quick.