I agree the location isn’t one for question. However doing something like this should have your own tools. If this was a above board thing I would have no issues.
Being a start up company I have no issues with either. I do have issues when a start up company isn’t going about looking out for the end consumers best interests rather then there own financial interests at the expense of others, with no recourse to help anyone damaged in the attempted advancement of the company
This is your response… WOW… Shame on you. I seriously hope no one is dumb enough to take you up on this venture. You just told me nothing to answer the real question. Where is your investment in the consumer and not your ego or pocket book.
We all clearly see your commitment to yourself. How about doing whats right and becoming legit and spending some of that money to do what the other companys do. They spend the money to protect then end consumer. It costs real money to run a real business when you do it properly and you do it with the protection of the consumer.
Ill wait for the crickets,
I agree, I also agree with the. This appears to only be good for J-fonz. Not being a above board licensed/accredited entity and asking for volunteers isn’t showing much interest in doing this in a safe or proper fashion.
While I did read and commend judeisnotobscure for his practice on doing the right thing with the stolen tune. I would have to say his replys here don’t look good and it might be a good time to get back to that drawing board before you look to do more. With self talk of so much success you would hope to see more concentration in getting the proper steps done to do this right then to just do this.
Thanks for addressing this. The code in particular that everyone is refering to is an antilag routine patch found on Nxxmxxo. I actually realized the ethical error of using this code in a discussion on this very forum, so I immediately stopped.
Saki I have spent in the area of $20K on tuning tools this year and i’m always finding other stuff I need as I progress to other platforms.
Whatever tools I will need for this I will purchase, but I’m condfident I have the needed items for the in car b6 b7 s4.
Well I’m starting to feel Like I have over stepped my bounds here.
I will have to hit the drawing board on this whole thing. Based off the reaction I’m getting here I’m not sure I’m ready to be tuning any cars any time soon.
Thanks for your help and the reality check.
lets not for get this comapny was started off seliing stolen tunes. Do you think he would have stopped or do we evern know that he did.
I think jf is ok. I just think this HEY LETS GIVE THIS A SHOT is kinda lame. I have no issue looking to be the savure of the B5 guys. They need this or even the 1.8T guys they need a hero for sure. If this was to help the platform then I would still be cautous but I would be mroe open to it.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/317209-New-companys-and-the-dyno-scam
Why don’t you seriously consider buying a b6? That is what JHM did and it worked out great for them. If you can say hey this is my car, I tuned it and DD it, and it runs XX.XX in the 1/4 mile I think people would take you more seriously. But these 4.2s have problems without someone grenading them with a bad tune so I would consider taking volunteers a potentially very volitile situation.
This was meant with heavy sarcasm BTW and mostly towards chrisk some of it to blakeD
I don’t steal tunes.
Until you work with me I don’t think you should comment about how I perform work.
Thanks for the comments from the others in here with constructive ideas.
I don’t have a big ego, I just take offense to people attacking me with false claims.
Are my customers protected if I break the car on the dyno? Yes they are because I work out of a licensed bonded shop.
I won’t be back in this forum until I have some results to share.
HWUT???
I think jfonz was indeed thinking of buying a B6 S4 a week or two ago. His wife was in need of a cool convertible, so he was poking around thinking of buying a B6 S4 cab.
If he did buy it, he’d be the only other tuning company with a B6 S4, other than JHM. I believe Keith at APR had his own Imola B6 S4 that they used, but he sold it a long time ago when it appeared obvious the B6/7 market was pretty much done with APR’s 2.25" exhaust and ‘modest’ tune. JHM ate their lunch plate clean.
I think guys are getting really heavy on JFONZ here, but I also don’t know the whole story. I for one don’t think it’s bad to be investing in expanding to other platforms. I think maybe the approach of learning on other peoples’ cars could be disastrous though.
The B6/7 S4 is old. There are a bunch with embedded engine problems already. Going this route opens jfonz up to a TON of liability when they tune some guy’s car and he clues in that he is burning a boatload of oil, and a dealer says ‘you have scored cylinders and need a new engine’. This turns into ‘OH NOEZ…JFONZ BLOWED MY MOTOR!’ as we saw with guys like BENSTi when he was running a beta tune.
I frankly wouldn’t take the reputational risk josh. Buy a cheap B6 that’s running…do your testing on it…find out something that works…give it to a couple of people and get their impressions after having them sign a fuckton of disclaimer forms…then go public.
That would earn respect from lots of people, and you will still always have people calling you out for past mistakes or how you got started if they disagree with.
I’m going to suggest the opposite of most here. No need to invest in your own S4 just to tune it when you can likely find a well-informed (meaning fully informed of your operations, his potential liability, possible recourse, etc) local beta tester who would happily be willing to help you in the development of a V8 tune. Independent of the few here who somehow equate not personally running a full-time brick-and-mortar store with doing something illegal or unethical, I’m sure you can find a consenting B6/7 owner who would, based on your past successes and tangible results, love to be part of your V8 development (in return for discounted/free service I assume).
With regards to B8 vs B6/7 from a business perspective, my opinion is that it’s makes total sense to step to the V8 platforms next, before the B8, considering that you already have all of the tools and most of the Motronic ECU knowledge that you need to expand to the V8’s without much more capital investment. Though there is obviously exists a current market leader in the B6/7 scene (JHM), I definitely think you could likely make enough sales to justify the minimal additional cost/effort required to expand into the V8 scene. If, for nothing else, a rounded out Audi offering, like you mentioned.
Good luck with your future expansion.
The only B6/B7s that run the 1/4 mile are JHM cars so good luck trying to collect drag strip data. That being said good luck getting someone that doesn’t know the ins and outs of the platform to go with a custom tune. Not to mention why would any consumer pass up the JHM tune for $550 that is already proven? How much sense would it make to spend time letting some other guy “attempt” to tune your car? Dyno tuning is not cheap, gas is not cheap (which makes driving around and logging not cheap), drag strips aren’t very cheap either, lastly 4.2l V8s aren’t cheap. So are all of these expenses going to be covered for the test cars? After thinking about those factors the only guys you could sucker into this are JHM haters that want to be different that don’t care about going to the track anyway (so they say). In the end Jfonz could potentially tune a car and get the power JHM has, but there are a lot of "what ifs.
I have nothing against Jfonz, just don’t see an ounce of logic here.
You might not see the logic, but in spite of what you personally do or don’t see, I have no doubt that someone else sees the logic in getting free/discounted services in exchange for helping with product development.
Explain to me the free or discounted services? Like I said is he going to finance the gas for logging, dyno tuning, drag strip fees, and also the time an individual will have to spend taking the car to and from these places? It’s $550 JHM tune cut and dry no question about it. Maybe you should get rid of that B5 and jump on this train…
yeah, you’re asssuming that this marketplace thinks logically though. Think about all the guys who are buying other tunes from companies that clearly suck at tuning…there are tons of them out there.
Look at the B5 world. Has anyone shown anything that EPL has done that is awesome? I mean other than tune the 770 car for a great 100+mph acceleration band. Have they had ANY success in anything other than their own dyno? No? Well they should be out of business right? Fuck no…the B5 guys worship EPL like they are gods.
Look at the B8 world. Have we not had enough major problems with REVO tuned cars and have we not seen the data logging showing RETARDED timing maps and questionable methods of making power with B8 S4s? It’s kinda nuts…but are we hearing about REVO sales slowing down? HELL NO! They can’t buy them up fast enough.
Look at the B6/7 world both S4 and RS4. How many people are going to get Unitronic tuned before they realise the company is all smoke and mirrors? Jesus i thought this guy was one of the smarter B7 RS4 guys…until the past month. he has put 2.5" downpipes on his car (stock downpipes are 2.5 FYI) as well as a UNITRONIC tune. Why did he go unitronic? because JHM isn’t ready yet. So…$850 to buy a tune that we all know fucking sucks, just because you can’t wait for JHM? Go APR or GIAC ten times out of ten before you go fucking unitronic. But no, this happens all the time.
Here’s what he posted this week. The truth about his tune finally came out. This is a smart guy who owns his own succesful business. This is not some kid in high school who got fooled.
[quote=NastyNogaro]I was going to keep these comments to myself but since my last post was ignored and followed by sales bullshit –
So at Waterfest when I asked for the tune, first off, the gentleman I talked to behind the counter had to ask if they even had a tune for the RS4. That made me a little skeptical right there, and when I asked what the improvements with the tune were, he simply said “446hp.” I asked a couple of other questions that the sales guy couldn’t provide answers to either, saying “it’s all right there on the website.”
I gave Unitronic the benefit of the doubt and went with the tune, mainly because I have heard too many other horror stories with the seemingly more powerful JHM tune for these cars. I can’t say whether the tune did anything for my car or not. By the butt dyno, no difference. On paper? Idk. I would have liked to log the car before and after to see what these “tunes” actually do. I’m afraid I just bought into a gimmick.
I was under the impression that this tune would code out the rear O2’s and now I have been informed there is a “catless” version of the tune which I didn’t know at the time of purchase. I would recommend you guys inquiring to go with a custom tune if you are looking for the most out of these cars. All these other off the shelf tunes don’t do much at all. I hate to say it but if I were to do it again, I would either get a custom tune or just wait for JHM to get their shit in check. If the $800 is worth it to you for someone to read off of a sheet to you, “446hp”, then go for it.
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And of course now we hear from Kryptonik who had a B7 RS4…then bought unitronic and milltek (brutal)…then bought PES supercharger even though everyone said not to (super brutal)…then hated it because he realise he got hosed (and posted as much)…then got full JHM and found the promised land prasing the new setup as destroying all his other setups…then he’s suddenly selling his JHM stuff, buying Milltek and UNITRONIC!!!
if you think this market makes decisions based on logic, well man you are pretty optimistic. I think the logical thing for jfonz to do is throw logic out the window lol.
I don’t know the beta tester details, because I’m not J-fonz. But, thinking logically, after everything it would obviously be less out-of-pocket for the consumer than it would normally be retail, or else it wouldn’t be discounted/free. That’s not complicated logic. I’m sure the beta tester would be fully informed on the in’s and out’s, his responsibilities/liabilities, and everything else before they would do anything to his car. Again, I haven’t spoken to Jfonz about this, just speaking based on logic.
I will not be working on or releasing a b6/b7 s4 tune. I have gotten some good advice from some members on here, and I thank everyone for their comments/support.
FYI I had already lined up a b6 beta tester; he was going to go run a baseline 1/4 mile for me this week. I will be sending him to JHM.
Best Regards.
I assume you got a business relationship set up with them. Probably mutually beneficial, as I’m sure they don’t really care to have new attempts at market competition, and it saves you the time of development.
Are you really considering trying to break into the B8 area soon?
Not that it really matters to me but is this yet another sarcastic statement? 
Lol yeah I am sure they are terrified and paid him off