Changing tuners in general or changing tuners from CV to JFonz?
The later would be my guess
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In sync meaning perhaps they haven’t both been available simultaneously to begin the process.
Let me ask a question to the B5 Audi community. Is there some kind of golden rule that a person can only use one tune/tuner on their vehicle? Is it breaking some kind of wacky code of ethics for me to have two ECUs each with a different person’s tune on it? If I MUST choose one tuner to go with, I’m going with Count Vohn but I really can’t imagine there being an issue with a customer wanting to see what other tunes are like. Doctors don’t seem to concerned about patients getting a second opinion. Maybe I’m just reading things wrong.
Anyway, I’m primarily going with the JHM tune but I have a spare ECU to play with as well.
Lol I was just referring to the fact that ChrisK hates Jfonz with a passion. CV is definitely unparalleled when it comes to this kind of thing, but Jfonz seems to have a pretty good track record himself.
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Hell no there’s nothing wrong with getting 2nd opinion. Especially when you have spent this much time and $$$.
Personally I felt most comfortable going with jhm tune considering this was/is their project so to speak. On top of the fact they are only a couple hours from me.
Now I’d be lying if I said I didn’t question that decision when my posted logs were not well received by many long timers, who i believe to know much more than me, questioning some of the tunes attributes. But, in the end I have enjoyed the car plenty since getting it back and nothing about the car is lacking for my mild by comparison turbo swap build/upgrade. Even if I have had a few annoying discoveries pop up. But hell its a b5 s4. What else should I expect?
Can’t wait to get it to the strip.
A spare ECU is much easier to find than a spare built engine…it’s not about ethics, it’s about getting things right the first time
Plus you don’t even have one tune yet. Get the JHM tune and if you don’t like it, look elsewhere. I think we would all prefer to see it run on a CV tune.
I don’t hate anyone. The jfonz guy has been called out and idetnified for what he is…or really for what he isn’t… from the looks of it he is now trolling with a buntch of kids slanging chana parts… So you wouldn’t expect much more… As for zero. Im I the only one that has read this thread. The zero guy has been back and forth 50 times make like 8 didfferent posts about the same thing… Put the car up for sale… Sold the car… stopped selling the car… taking the car to several people… and now looks to have jfonx over CV tune the car. As if the first 5 mistakes didn’t prove he has no clue. what more could you expect…
If zero reacts like this to just getting the car worked on… If I was CV I would gladly pass this guy off on jconz. Zero seems to have no idea what goes into some of this stuff. His posts continue to show this. At this point when you say you want fonz to tune the car over CV im assuming zero would let some kid at mcdonalds tune the car if he got to drive it.
Cut the guy some slack, the build has been a marathon for sure, he’s learning as he goes and at times simply looking for feedback as well as trying to get the thing rolling. He’s also dependent on others, simply because he’s not doing the work himself.
The decision on tuners might be based on timing and availability in lieu of best option but after this amount of time, it’s understandable.
I think it’s exactly opposite…when you spend this amount of time getting things “right” you don’t rush one of the most important parts of the puzzle…the tune. If he has waited for his first shop to take months to build his car, what is a few more weeks to get a good tune.
It’s not like timing and availability should even affect his choice…he obviously has deep pockets and this isnt his DD. I asked him before why even build a b5 when he can go buy an R8, or why not just buy and RS4 and send it to JHM for a supercharger…Zero state he wants the b5 because its more of a sleeper.
I’ll say it one more time…Zero I think you should definitely wait for CV regardless of how many ECUs you have, because honestly if you have Jfonz tune it first…then ask CV to tune it, if I was him I would pass because who knows what limits the guy before him may have pushed.
I’ll continue to take things as they come. If everything works out as I envision, than great. If not, it won’t be the end of the world. I can walk away from the project if I have to. It would be disappointing - but about the same as my favorite baseball team losing in the World Series. It really won’t affect my life directly. I’ll move on to other interests.
Nobody has any info re jfonz’ experience with the RS6r turbo?
Maybe the turbo world is different, and tuning the cars is much easier (yes, that was sarcasm)…but wouldn’t you want your car tuned by someone who has tuned a few dozen RS6r cars vs. someone who has tuned 1 or 2?
I agree with ChrisK…if I was count vohn, I would steer clear of Zero Tolerance. No offense to him, but he seems a bit all over the place. Those customers are tough because when 9 changes get made (that you don’t know about) and something breaks, the tuner ends up eating the collateral damage, reputationally.
My car runs perfect on its original base tune from JFonz, even being a single turbo which I’m sure has its own inherent tuning challenges that differ from a stock twin turbo configuration. I think you are in good hands Zero.
Indeed, I am all over the place. I think Count Vohn should do whatever he feels is right/best for him. If he wants to step back and avoid working with me, I’ll understand. I’m not one to hold grudges. Heck, there are various issues that have popped up due to some inexperience on Velocity Factor’s work but I don’t hold anything against them either. They did the best they could being my car was the first B5 S4 they worked on. I’m an easy going guy and, by nature, don’t take things personally.
I wasn’t saying I agreed with Zero as I think CV is the right person for the build. I guess I was thinking the Jfonz route would be more of a base type file considering he has a total of 48 hours of total drive time in the car. Jfonz base tune to bridge the gap until CV can do his thing. He needs to drive it before the wife starts pressing on the R8 again! I certainly wouldn’t want to approach limitations with a JFonz tune considering his lack of tuning on the rs6’s. If it allows him to drive it for a month or two then why not.
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. Jnaut and Count Vohn are obviously busy people. If I can entertain myself while I’m waiting for them to do their thing at their earliest convenience - then I think everybody wins. We already found two weak links in the meantime so this will help us hit the ground running when the JHM tune comes into play. This is the way I see it and I think some people are looking too deeply into other possibilities.
this build has nothing on real marathon (but still not running) builds…like guruman, jibberjive, nycvr6 etc at 2 years.
This build is a foal compared to those old mares.
Zero, I’m pretty sure that Count Vaughn will not touch your car after J-fonz has tuned it. Stick with J-fonz. I’m pretty sure he will hook you up the best he can. If your car does well, he will shine brighter than a star in this car world.
On a side note, I think that you should be prepared for some unique excuses when things don’t work out the way he thought they would.
Here is my two cents,
When one customer takes a direction with tuning, I suggest they take that same direction and take it to the end. There are times where the end is defined by the customers patience.
ZT originally had contacted Fonz and then contacted JHM. ZT had mentioned in his E-mail to JHM, that he wanted, JHM to do the tune and originally wanted JHM to do so, he just didn’t know that I calibrated for JHM. After being told ZT was looking to have JHM tune his RS6-r car I had touched base with ZT and mentioned that JHM would not take business from fonz, and that if ZT wanted JHM to do the tune, he would have to contact fonz and have him OK the release of the tune.
I have been in constant contact with ZT and with J-spec. Jason@J-spec mentioned how ZT has had a long list of issues with the car, even after getting the car from the last shop. Jason@J-spec mentioned that he didn’t feel the car was ready to go. So, I always take the shops side when looking out for the customer, as the shop knows whats best for the customer. {in some cases, this isn’t always true, but in this case I believe it to be so}
Moving forward JHM has not accepted any money from ZT or j-spec for the tune, so its not like the tune is being withheld. As far as I and JHM know the car is not ready and I believe you don’t just give someone a tune for the sake of letting them drive the car, even if the build has taken 10months. In the land of B5s’ that’s par for the coarse.
So if ZT chooses to take the fonz route, I believe it’s in everyone best interest and protection to let that stand as the direction. It’s not a matter of competition, it’s a matter of respect and that’s how I see it and that’s how I work.
When all is said and done, I feel it makes the most sense to have a JHM tune for JHM turbos.
For the last few months people have been asking me, “Are you excited?”. I wasn’t until a few weeks ago. Now I AM and it would bring me “peace” if I could be given some type of estimate on what remains of the road to completion. If it takes three weeks to get the tune just right - that’s cool. It’s not that I’m impatient about it - the problem is that I keep thinking it’s basically finished when I really don’t have a clear understanding of the road ahead.