Then take into account the changes in blends, carrying around a test kit, or buying extra hardware like a good wideband.
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S4 has two wideband sensors both of which can be accessed. Car is daily driver and never sits for more than 24 hours, tank is rarely below empty, one tank of 93 octane is hardly a hassle, already rocking a PCV bypass 
Highly doubt I have to change my oil more than the 4000-5000 mile intervals I do now.
I do AGREE with you though, NOT for everyone.
yeah, personally if I had to have ‘x level of performance’ aka trapping 118 mph type acceleration, I would buy another car that can do that on pump gas. For me the pump gas performance is really all that matters.
Of course that’s not the most practical decision, and if you love your existing car, makes even less sense.
The truth is Jones, everyone wants more.
If you have an RS4 that traps 108, you want an RS4 with tune and exhaust that traps 112
If you have an RS4 with tune and exhaust, you want one that adds lightweight rotating parts that traps 113
THen you want a JHM stage 1 supercharger so you can trap 118
Then you want a JHM stage 2 supercharger so you can trap 127
Then you want a JHM stage 3 supercharger so you can trap 135
If you have a B8 that traps 106 you want a tuned one that traps 110
Then you want a stage 2 one that traps 112
Then you want a stage 2 one with LW parts that traps 114
Then you want a stage 2 one with race gas that traps 118
Then you want a stage 2 one that traps 118 on the street so you want E85 or meth
Then you want a stage 3 one that traps 123
It never ends for anyone.
On the topic of E85, last time I checked it uses about 30% more fuel to run, so has anyone done the cost sensitivity analysis of E85 vs. race gas? That would be interesting. I would not at all enjoy E85 on an Audi with a 61 litre fuel tank. That would mean you’re filling up every 175 miles. That’s ridiculous.
Also, I thought 93 octane + meth on a 100 octane tune was working for you?
Jones I’m not trying to talk you out of this so don’t think that is my objective.
I’ve also thought about running E85 on some of my other cars in the past and the conversion/tuning/overall hassle wasn’t worth it to me.
I think if you love the car you should spend the money somewhere else, maybe have someone fab up a centrifugal blower kit.
I’m not sure why you’re referencing the RS4 at all? He’s not talking about RS4s. He’s talking E85 as a fuel source, adn talking about its limits.
E85 isn’t bad but it’s not the greatest. If tuned properly you will quickly see just how fast you run through a tank.
I think jfonz needs someone to consult him on posting and getting with certain people. He might have a possible good product but if your associated with dirt bag fools like SRM and you have b5 guys jumping into threads to say how great you are that’s just not great. Also how bad are these guys math if they say they have been running this for a year. Isn’t that what they said last year. If after a year of running you don’t have any results and your just riding the hope that the B8 guys will be dumb enough to get fooled with dyno sheets you missed the mark. Jfonz himself seems smart enough to stay out of drama but the idiots he has around him continue to bring him down.
Looks like a fellow local to me may jump on this tune… I sent him a PM letting him know I’d be more than willing to do some strip testing with vids for the forums this spring… Also, offered up any vag com mods he’d like… Will see what he says…
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if they could integrate a flex fuel sensor into this package i could see it being a very popular package that will make them stand out from the rest.
Except the fact that they haven’t provided data for any of their tunes…beyond a dyno.
Maybe they can stand out when they are a legit company and keep their name longer than 6 months. Until then anyone who experiments with them will likely end up like you (switching to someone who knows what they are doing) or worse.
Looks like a fellow local to me may jump on this tune… I sent him a PM letting him know I’d be more than willing to do some strip testing with vids for the forums this spring… Also, offered up any vag com mods he’d like… Will see what he says…
ya your right, dont want anyone wasting their money like i did because i listened to people like you
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if they could integrate a flex fuel sensor into this package i could see it being a very popular package that will make them stand out from the rest.
Except the fact that they haven’t provided data for any of their tunes…beyond a dyno.
Maybe they can stand out when they are a legit company and keep their name longer than 6 months. Until then anyone who experiments with them will likely end up like you (switching to someone who knows what they are doing) or worse.
ya your right, dont want anyone wasting their money like i did because i listened to people like you
You wasted your money because you listened to him?
From day one he and twenty other people on this site told you epl was the worst tuner in the audi scene, and you ignored us , fought us , called us haters (among other names) all because we have seen dozens of people form various platforms make the same mistake you were about to make…and we were trying to protect you from it. You were seduced by the ‘we tune porsches’ and ‘we have shiny floors’ , just like everyone else. The reality? As our epl b5 thread asked… “If they’re so great where the hell are all the fast epl cars?”
Lol! So this s4m3 guy isn’t really a customer he’s associated with them? Lol. Why doesn’t hat surprise me?
No, their not hiding behind a dyno really! Love the “majority” comment… So i guess 1 of 1 is a majority…
The amount of B8 guys that go to the strip is 10x all of the other platforms…lol
You wasted your money because you listened to him?
From day one he and twenty other people on this site told you epl was the worst tuner in the audi scene, and you ignored us , fought us , called us haters (among other names) all because we have seen dozens of people form various platforms make the same mistake you were about to make…and we were trying to protect you from it. You were seduced by the ‘we tune porsches’ and ‘we have shiny floors’ , just like everyone else. The reality? As our epl b5 thread asked… “If they’re so great where the hell are all the fast epl cars?”
Obviously your not the only one that sees this.
I said it before thus kind of stuff is just reducing his credibility. If your best results are from b5 guys jumping in or that’s the best thing you have to offer your already sunk. Having people with no credibility try to give credible feedback is just showing more and more why you don’t want to use these guys. Then really stupid statements like the majority statement keep capping off the other points.
yes i would say i wasted my money by getting the apr tune, i made the same amount of power with both and the car doesnt feel any different except a higher rpm launch…
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What is wrong with guys like you?
Didn’t you run 11.9 on 93oct with APR? The best you ran with EPL was a 12.3…what the hell are am I missing?
You also had to have multiple revisions, EPL sucked at getting back to you, and in the end you still WERE NOT satisfied. We all know your pathetic excuse for switching was “For re-sale purposes” which BTW is fucking hilarious, but you switched to an OTS tune after you talked up the EPL “custom” tuning and flash at home advantages.
Just give it up man, I really don’t even give a shit at this point, but if you would have listened to what people recommended then you would have went with APR FIRST and there would have been no need to go with another tuner. Although you could have switched to EPL from APR to prove a point…then back to APR after you failed or were unhappy again.
I also find it very comical when I read your cheerleader@APR posts on AZ…you’re just a guy that is proud of his car I guess. You talk shit on every tune there…GIAC, Revo, now I see you questioning SMS…which is great. Just don’t be such a bitch about your choice to move on to a better tune for your car.
Also you bashing of this forum is pathetic…we should have told you to fuck off a long time ago.