JHM 3 Liter RESULTS THREAD

B6 A4
#81

I’m just keeping faith that someday, hopefully sooner rather than later. JHM releases a SC’er kit. I seriously believe that will put the 3.0 on the level, especially if someone took it to the next step and went Forged internals. I feel like JHM is spending time on other platforms and has forgotten about us. Yea we have a few products but no serious mods. So far we have…

Clutch kit w/light weight flywheel
Intake Spacers
FI catback
Catless DP’s
Tune and TCU tune
SS or “trio kit” for MT’s
Zingo Mod
thats all I can think of right now, but where does that leave us ? just past a stage 2 1.8t… which is pretty lame IMO. Its time for some serious go. 3.0 needs some FI plain and simple, I think that would give people the motivation to spend a little money on mods like listed above in hopes to one day do something bigger. But now, who would do that to be left with what? a 14 second car (just estimating)

#82

My money is still on those mods putting the car into 13s before FI. And the s4 s/c should bolt up quite nicely to ours. However I agree, they’ve pumped out new b5 and b6/7 s4 products since then. From a business standpoint I understand as it’s where the market is, gotta pay the bills. It’s just disappointing to see this fading out, there was a lot of enthusiasm a year ago and it’s dying off. I know the products are coming out, but I just don’t know if a lot of the original guys are going to be around for them.

Maybe I should just roadtrip over there and camp outside with a few grand in my pocket until they make my car faster :stuck_out_tongue:

#83

Somewhat related… This just put our stock cats into perspective for me.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/ariangoodson/DSC08035.jpg

Holy balls those things are big and close to the engine.

#84

ahhhh cant wait for my headers and catless DP’s

#85

I am Go for the JHM Tune as soon as new tires and front O2’s are on the car !!!

Depending on money at tax time I may have a local shop do 2.5 DP’s with NO CATS !

If I can get 42DraftDesign to do them that would be great !!!

I’ll try that show up at their front door with a grand and be like do you want my money or not???

#86

why would you want another company to just make you DP’s? JHM spends uncountable hours testing and finalizing products, exhaust flow is a science and you can’t just slap shit together and call it good, well I suppose you could but it would suck, that kind of shit is for ricers not Premium Euro’s. Even a unfinalized product from JHM IMHO is far superior than something any company can just throw together in a few days. Plus I think its best to send money to JHM any time possible to supoport the business making all our performance parts, but thats just my personal preference. I guess its all a matter of personal preferance, what level do you want to be on; premium, midgrade, economy, ghetto rigged… And if you have 1000$ to drop on DP’s wouldn’t it make sense to spend it on a tune AND DP’s instead of just unproven DP’s, personally I would want the 2 premium products over 1 unproven from a company that doesn’t spend time on 3.0. Anyways thats my 2 cents.

#87

Agree 100% with a43go… At the same time, it’s taking a ridiculous amount of time considering the product is already made. It’s understandable for people to look elsewhere.

#88

JHM is willing to sell it as long as the buyer understands its not a finalized product. If I was ready for them and they weren’t finalized would I buy? DEFINITLY. The ends don’t justify the means to search elsewhere, IMO. I think as the B6 gets older people definitely question how much they are willing to put into a 10year old German car which already is at the point for probably everyone of needing major services, which is why I think you see a lot of ghetto mods on AZ. But IMO any Audi, BMW, Merk… deserves a certain level of quality, especially when it comes to performance modification and there are very few companies out there that give that. And JHM being a smaller one I think deserves all the support possible since they are the ONLY company producing those quality products for our platform.

#89

Money set aside for the tune thats already taken care of.

As for DP’s that JHM has already done and is doing for the 3.0L they look good but not the quality
that 42DraftDesign’s seem to be.

If performance is small enough to split a nats ass then LOOKs will win me over.

Has a price been set? A close guess on price? Estimated time of completion?

Does R&D take donations? Cash,Beer,Hookers?

#90

Do you have any pics of 42’s dp’s??? I am curious on said quality and performance being anywhere close to JHM.

#91

Like JHM they aren’t done yet. Not even close.

9 months ago i was told I could get the first set FREE if they could use my car for the build.
Thats the problem, NO company takes us serious on how high a demand for 3.0L DP’s are.
I keep getting told they don’t have time for R&D of them.
They have finised at least 5 new projects that if there was a line and the 3.0L DP’s were on it
those would have come after the 3.0L DP’s. They made a set of pipes for the Golf R already.
Again the 3.0L get the we’ll get to it when we get to it!

Sorry this is a sore nerve for me and this kind of wait game pisses me the F off !!!

Several already done products.
http://www.42draftdesigns.com/categories/exhaust.html

#92

Sorry I’m not impressed by 42, they are not even close to the level JHM is on.

#93

If you’re a tuning company, and you want to focus on a market and make parts for it, it’s simple - YOU BUY THE FUCKING CAR.

You think APR is developing the B8 S4 , B8 RS5, B7 RS4 stuff on ‘borrowed’ cars? No, they own the cars. They also have an S7 on delivery for later this summer.

You don’t have APR money? That’s fine. WHat about JHM? Small company with like 4-5 employees. They own 3 B6 S4s. They own 2 B6 A4s. They own a B7 RS4. They own a B5 S4.

I don’t know how you can be in the B5/B6 game…and not own a car to test your shit on. The B5 S4 is fucking $9,000 for a really good one. The B6 A4 3.0 is what…a bit less than that? If you buy it, and own it for 3 years, and selll it, it might cost you $3,000 in depreciation. If you’re not willing to pony up $3000 in depreciation costs when you are supposedly developing parts for a platform, you need to get into a new business.

#94

Did You look at just that one page?

This is a shop that does mostley CNC type stuf.

As for exhaust they do the work and not purchace someone elses stuf and build off of it.
Maybe the CATS are Magnaflow and the make the rest.
They just purchaced a mandrell bend machine about 2 months ago.

I don’t doubt JHM’s stuf but I dont see DP’s even close to being listed on their site.
Has anyone watched JHM’s videos. Fab of the short throw shifter. Sketchy !

#95

wasn’t referring to them only…just find it really weird that companies want to borrow cars in order to ‘practice’ tuning and fabbing.

#96

The company 42DraftDesign in question doesnt have the CAPITAL to buy every car.
They make stuf for the cars the workers own. Don’t know if one purchaced a Golf R.
They wanted to make exhaust for the 3.0L when it looked like there was going to be a need for it.
Less then 15 people on a forum isnt enough to get a second look for making 3.0L parts.
See both sides and don’t jump off expecting companies to do the same as JHM.
Trust me I have tried and keep getting blown off.
42DraftDesign is 1/10 the facility of JHM.

#97

What on earth does this mean?

[quote=Halo549]Has anyone watched JHM’s videos. Fab of the short throw shifter. Sketchy !
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Anyway, go ahead and buy downpipes from level 42 or whomever. Nobody is saying not to. I just like supporting the companies that support my platform. Go call stratjohn and buy the stratmosphere downpipes he was harping about. Oh wait that’s right…they went out of business and never even followed through with that.

[quote=Halo549]9 months ago i was told I could get the first set FREE if they could use my car for the build.
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Seeing as how you’re basically getting free shit from level42, I don’t think anyone here would call your opinion or evaluation of them objective, fair or unbiased. You’re critiquing the JHM parts, and then saying ‘they aren’t the same quality as level42’. How the fuck do you know any part of that is true???

This is how I know you’re clueless:

[quote=Halo549]As for DP’s that JHM has already done and is doing for the 3.0L they look good but not the quality
that 42DraftDesign’s seem to be.

If performance is small enough to split a nats ass then LOOKs will win me over.
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So not only are you making quality comparisons between one part you complain isn’t for sale yet and haven’t had any experience with (JHM DPs)…and another part that doesn’t even fucking exist, unless you lend level42 your car. Want to tell me how the fuck you are able to make these ridiculous statements???

Then you reference ‘looks’ being your purchasing decision tie breaker (even though we don’t have a clue about performance and since level 42 doesn’t own a B6 A4, we won’t get performance testing…probably just BS dyno numbers that you will parade around the forums once you get your free downpipes) on a part you earlier said you will be getting for FREE.

We should put your title as ‘level42 sales-rep’

#98

I had experience with 42DD in my 1.8T days and their parts are pretty good quality, but in my opinion they were very overpriced back then compared to other companies.

I agree with Saki though on your decision making process on 2 products that you’ve never seen, one of which doesn’t exist. It seems like JHM has put some R&D into your platform, just like they did with the B6/B7 S4 and that’s pretty exciting for you 3.0 guys. Nothing JHM produces is low quality, so if I were you I’d wait for their product because more than likely it will also come out with “real” performance data.

It’s your car though (I would have said money) but I guess that isn’t even the issue

…and I would have to say that the “demand” for performance parts in the 3.0 platform started when JHM put out a tune that was worth a shit

#99

Feels like anything I have to say gets the sound off from sakimano the master of all things Audi.
Your absolutely right and directly attacking me makes You a “DICK” !

I’ve had the car for just more than 2 years so excuse me.
And excuse me for trying to get another company to support the 3.0L platform.

Clueless if two identical products as far as performance goes and one looks like the company took more time
making it look like a quality product and no matter what You pick JHM’s product. Knock Yourself out.
I don’t give a shit about 42DraftDesign giving me anything for FREE!
If JHM was close enough for me to drive to then things might be different.
If there is only one place making parts for the 3.0L then prices go UP because there the only place to get parts from.

If a company says can we use Your car to R&D products that show an interest in it.
If they give You the brush off and don’t make time to do it then they loose out.

I have one thing to say about JHM videos.
If You havent watch any of them Your clueless.
Can buy a car for R&D but has to stand on a part and use a screw driver to remove parts from a shifter?
The do make a table vise that works better and doesn’t look sketchy.

Already said JHM tune is next after new tires and front 02’s are on the car.

If You shit talk people here and don’t help them what do You think people here are going to do?

FYI : I wear my JHM T-shirt and visit the 42DraftDesign booth at the VW/Audi events.

#100

Has anyone actually seen pics of JHM’s 3.0 DP’s? Maybe I missed something but I don’t think we know what they look like. Based on their headers for the S4 I would assume they are pretty aesthetically appealing. Hard to discuss what they look like if we haven’t seen them.

I must say though. “42DD” sounds better than “JHM”… Eyyooooo :stuck_out_tongue: